Army general is military's first openly gay flag officer - Page 7

Jon_R · 08-12-2012, 18:38

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

McArthur and Patton would be too busy killing American veterans who only wanted what was due to them.

Bradley and Nimitz probably too busy trying to establish their power bases.

Sergeant York and Audie Murphy were too busy killing jerries to give a damn.

Audie Murphy fraudulently enlisted so he should have been booted anyways....

Right??

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In June 1942, shortly after what he and his sister Corrine believed was his 17th birthday, Corrine adjusted his birth date so he appeared to be 18 and legally able to enlist.

Lampshade · 08-12-2012, 18:47

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Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall

...or homosexual behavior is a choice which anyone could possibly make.

Of course homosexual behavior is a choice. So is heterosexual behavior.

It is kind of sad though that we have several full grown adults in this thread who don't understand the difference between sexual activity and sexual orientation.

G26S239 · 08-12-2012, 19:31

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Originally Posted by lunarspeak

there was gay sex on the sands of normandy

Well if there really were gays doing each other at Normandy while everyone else was busy trying to take France back I can understand how the resulting resentment caused the anti homosexuality article to be put in the UCMJ in 1952. They really should have exercised better self control.

427 · 08-12-2012, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Glock13

If there was, would you strip him of it? It is a simple question.

If it came down to him getting stripped I say, he created his own problems by lying.

People are canned/stripped of awards for honor violations, but if they can get away with whatever they do, fine, I guess.

That's the whole issue with this thread - Lying.

Should a sitting president be impeached for lying under oath?

Ummagumma · 08-12-2012, 19:44

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Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall

Are you implying that you can't control your sexual behavior?

Well, enlighten me; was the question asked (before DADT) if you were a homosexual - which is biology - or if you engaged in said behavior ?

If someone said that they were a celibate homosexual, would they still be allowed to enlist ?

Do you imply that there was no straight soldiers fooling around ? Or are you saying they are all unworthy of being promoted or honorably discharged ?

This whole argument is worthy of Sen. Larry Craig.

Ummagumma · 08-12-2012, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Peace Warrior

Like I said prior, you're still mixing apples and moon rocks in your comparison.

Civil rights cover the broad spectrum of rights as a created being. These supersede governmental rights and are codified so as to prevent discrimination against people based on such things as "RACE," age, religion, national origin, ethnicity and gender.

The attempt to label homosexuality as a civil right is simply something that a group of homosexuals have cooked up themselves. The concept of "being born homosexual" was exposed and admitted to by some of the militants long, long ago.

The statement worthy of Sarah

They exposed what exactly ? The concept ? As in, you seem to imply that it's a choice ?

People are being born homosexual. Heck, penguins are being born homosexual - ask Google if you don't believe me. Just because Judeo-Christian beliefs shun homosexuality doesn't mean it's a "choice". It's a biologically hard wired deviation. Just like Albinos.

G26S239 · 08-12-2012, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Ummagumma

Well, enlighten me; was the question asked (before DADT) if you were a homosexual - which is biology - or if you engaged in said behavior ?

If someone said that they were a celibate homosexual, would they still be allowed to enlist ?

Do you imply that there was no straight soldiers fooling around ? Or are you saying they are all unworthy of being promoted or honorably discharged ?

This whole argument is worthy of Sen. Larry Craig.

Yes the question was on enlistment papers in 1977. And probably for years afterward.

Ummagumma · 08-12-2012, 19:56

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Originally Posted by G26S239

Yes the question was on enlistment papers in 1977. And probably for years afterward.

Again, what question exactly ? About being a homosexual, or about engaging in sex with people of same gender ? 1st is biology, 2nd is biology+choice (although I believe that it's unnatural for a healthy adult to make a choice to stay celibate).

Detectorist · 08-12-2012, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Ummagumma

Do you imply that there was no straight soldiers fooling around ?

I can only assume that straight soldiers don't fool around with each other.

To me, putting gay soldiers in the same housing as straight soldiers is like housing men and women together, in the same rooms.

G26S239 · 08-12-2012, 20:09

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Originally Posted by Ummagumma

Again, what question exactly ? About being a homosexual, or about engaging in sex with people of same gender ? 1st is biology, 2nd is biology+choice (although I believe that it's unnatural for a healthy adult to make a choice to stay celibate).

Both, as in Are you a homosexual or have you engaged in homsexual acts? as I recall or words to that effect. It is also an article that was specifically covered in RTC basic training in the UCMJ class.

Phaze5ive · 08-12-2012, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Detectorist

To me, putting gay soldiers in the same housing as straight soldiers is like housing men and women together, in the same rooms.

It's pretty self evident that gay dudes don't go for straight dudes and straight dudes don't go for gay dudes. How is it like housing men and women together again?

Jon_R · 08-12-2012, 20:15

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Originally Posted by Ummagumma

Again, what question exactly ? About being a homosexual, or about engaging in sex with people of same gender ? 1st is biology, 2nd is biology+choice (although I believe that it's unnatural for a healthy adult to make a choice to stay celibate).

In 1992 the question was "Are you a homosexual?" Asked to you by a Doctor at least at MEPS station in Jacksonville. It was asked verbally and I don't remember then signing it though I assume there is a legal hook in there somewhere with it.

I didn't get in at that time.

Took a prescription medication 9 months earlier that barred me for a year after stop taking it. I came back in 1993 after a year in college after DADT was in place and got in... I am sticking to the medicine story... When I went back the doctor took my old chart and a black marker and blacked out the previous question and answer.

devildog2067 · 08-12-2012, 20:16

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Originally Posted by Jon_R

I thought we had highly trained professional Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors, and Marines.... I would expect them to act like professionals.

I served in the Marine Corps with some of the most courageous and motivated men and women I have ever known, and I trusted each and every one of them with my life.

On the other hand, we were still a bunch of mostly 18-to-20-year old kids, and we did all kinds of stupid **** all the time, from grabass to hazing to fighting to drinking like idiots. Expect a bunch of Marines to act like professionals in combat or on the drill field and they will impress you. Expect a bunch of Marines to act like professionals all the time and you will be sorely disappointed.

boby · 08-12-2012, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Ummagumma

The statement worthy of Sarah

They exposed what exactly ? The concept ? As in, you seem to imply that it's a choice ?

People are being born homosexual. Heck, penguins are being born homosexual - ask Google if you don't believe me. Just because Judeo-Christian beliefs shun homosexuality doesn't mean it's a "choice". It's a biologically hard wired deviation. Just like Albinos.

You can't reason with these people. They are blinded by religion.

ColdSteelNail · 08-12-2012, 20:19

Thanks for your service general and congrats.

Who you fall in love with or sleep with is your business.

fnfalman · 08-12-2012, 22:29

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Originally Posted by Jon_R

Audie Murphy fraudulently enlisted so he should have been booted anyways....

Right??

Take back his MOH!!!

fnfalman · 08-12-2012, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Detectorist

I can only assume that straight soldiers don't fool around with each other.

To me, putting gay soldiers in the same housing as straight soldiers is like housing men and women together, in the same rooms.

Why? Because the straight guys suddenly grow ******s and can't defend themselves against these supposedly homo horn dog rapists?

NEOH212 · 08-12-2012, 23:23

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Originally Posted by boby

Who cares what a bunch of dead guys think?

There are some of us that value their opinion because it is the right one.

This kind of crap is ruining this country and world. Believe what you want but people that engage in deviant behavior will have to answer for it someday.

And if you don't believe that your entitled not to. Just remember that unbelief doesn't make it any less true or the sinner any less guilty.

**NeverMore1701** · 08-12-2012, 23:28

Belief makes something as true as disbelief makes it false.

fnfalman · 08-12-2012, 23:28

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Originally Posted by NEOH212

There are some of us that value their opinion because it is the right one.

This kind of crap is ruining this country and world. Believe what you want but people that engage in deviant behavior will have to answer for it someday.

And if you don't believe that your entitled not to. Just remember that unbelief doesn't make it any less true or the sinner any less guilty.

Let's round'em up, tattoo'em and put them in the gas chambers. That'll solve the deviancy and moral corruption problems.

Detectorist · 08-12-2012, 23:38

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

Why? Because the straight guys suddenly grow ******s and can't defend themselves against these supposedly homo horn dog rapists?

Why should they even have to think about defending themselves? Why should they lose their privacy?

M&P Shooter · 08-12-2012, 23:40

Her photo frightened me

Glock13 · 08-13-2012, 00:01

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Originally Posted by 427

If it came down to him getting stripped I say, he created his own problems by lying.

People are canned/stripped of awards for honor violations, but if they can get away with whatever they do, fine, I guess.

That's the whole issue with this thread - Lying.

Should a sitting president be impeached for lying under oath?

So, to be clear, you would strip him of his Medal of Honor for lying about pot use prior to enlistment?

427 · 08-13-2012, 00:43

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Originally Posted by Glock13

So, to be clear, you would strip him of his Medal of Honor for lying about pot use prior to enlistment?

Let's do a little multiple choice.

A) I stated that he created his problem by lying in the first place.

B)I then stated that people get impeached/fired for honor violations. I opined that I guess it's OK that some people get away with it.

C)I stated that I thought the core issue in the OP was about lying.

D) I then asked if a sitting president should be impeached for lying under oath.

Where did I specifically state I would do anything?

1) A
2) B
3) C
4) D

427 · 08-13-2012, 00:49

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Originally Posted by Glock13

So, to be clear, you would strip him of his Medal of Honor for lying about pot use prior to enlistment?

For my amusement and probably the amusement of others, lets say I said yes.

I know you are itching to make a statement and go off on me, so have at it, son!!!

Please be original!