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Old 08-12-2012, 20:11   #161
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To me, putting gay soldiers in the same housing as straight soldiers is like housing men and women together, in the same rooms.
It's pretty self evident that gay dudes don't go for straight dudes and straight dudes don't go for gay dudes. How is it like housing men and women together again?
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Old 08-12-2012, 20:15   #162
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Again, what question exactly ? About being a homosexual, or about engaging in sex with people of same gender ? 1st is biology, 2nd is biology+choice (although I believe that it's unnatural for a healthy adult to make a choice to stay celibate).
In 1992 the question was "Are you a homosexual?" Asked to you by a Doctor at least at MEPS station in Jacksonville. It was asked verbally and I don't remember then signing it though I assume there is a legal hook in there somewhere with it.

I didn't get in at that time. Took a prescription medication 9 months earlier that barred me for a year after stop taking it. I came back in 1993 after a year in college after DADT was in place and got in... I am sticking to the medicine story... When I went back the doctor took my old chart and a black marker and blacked out the previous question and answer.
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Old 08-12-2012, 20:16   #163
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I thought we had highly trained professional Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors, and Marines.... I would expect them to act like professionals.
I served in the Marine Corps with some of the most courageous and motivated men and women I have ever known, and I trusted each and every one of them with my life.

On the other hand, we were still a bunch of mostly 18-to-20-year old kids, and we did all kinds of stupid **** all the time, from grabass to hazing to fighting to drinking like idiots. Expect a bunch of Marines to act like professionals in combat or on the drill field and they will impress you. Expect a bunch of Marines to act like professionals all the time and you will be sorely disappointed.

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Old 08-12-2012, 20:19   #164
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The statement worthy of Sarah They exposed what exactly ? The concept ? As in, you seem to imply that it's a choice ?

People are being born homosexual. Heck, penguins are being born homosexual - ask Google if you don't believe me. Just because Judeo-Christian beliefs shun homosexuality doesn't mean it's a "choice". It's a biologically hard wired deviation. Just like Albinos.
You can't reason with these people. They are blinded by religion.
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Old 08-12-2012, 20:19   #165
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Thanks for your service general and congrats.

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Old 08-12-2012, 22:29   #166
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Audie Murphy fraudulently enlisted so he should have been booted anyways.... Right??
Take back his MOH!!!
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Old 08-12-2012, 22:30   #167
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I can only assume that straight soldiers don't fool around with each other.

To me, putting gay soldiers in the same housing as straight soldiers is like housing men and women together, in the same rooms.
Why? Because the straight guys suddenly grow ******s and can't defend themselves against these supposedly homo horn dog rapists?
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Old 08-12-2012, 23:23   #168
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Who cares what a bunch of dead guys think?
There are some of us that value their opinion because it is the right one.

This kind of crap is ruining this country and world. Believe what you want but people that engage in deviant behavior will have to answer for it someday.

And if you don't believe that your entitled not to. Just remember that unbelief doesn't make it any less true or the sinner any less guilty.

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There are some of us that value their opinion because it is the right one.

This kind of crap is ruining this country and world. Believe what you want but people that engage in deviant behavior will have to answer for it someday.

And if you don't believe that your entitled not to. Just remember that unbelief doesn't make it any less true or the sinner any less guilty.

Let's round'em up, tattoo'em and put them in the gas chambers. That'll solve the deviancy and moral corruption problems.
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Old 08-12-2012, 23:38   #171
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Why? Because the straight guys suddenly grow ******s and can't defend themselves against these supposedly homo horn dog rapists?
Why should they even have to think about defending themselves? Why should they lose their privacy?
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Old 08-12-2012, 23:40   #172
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Old 08-13-2012, 00:01   #173
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If it came down to him getting stripped I say, he created his own problems by lying.

People are canned/stripped of awards for honor violations, but if they can get away with whatever they do, fine, I guess.

That's the whole issue with this thread - Lying.

Should a sitting president be impeached for lying under oath?
So, to be clear, you would strip him of his Medal of Honor for lying about pot use prior to enlistment?
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Old 08-13-2012, 00:43   #174
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So, to be clear, you would strip him of his Medal of Honor for lying about pot use prior to enlistment?
Let's do a little multiple choice.

A) I stated that he created his problem by lying in the first place.

B)I then stated that people get impeached/fired for honor violations. I opined that I guess it's OK that some people get away with it.

C)I stated that I thought the core issue in the OP was about lying.

D) I then asked if a sitting president should be impeached for lying under oath.

Where did I specifically state I would do anything?

1) A
2) B
3) C
4) D
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Old 08-13-2012, 00:49   #175
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So, to be clear, you would strip him of his Medal of Honor for lying about pot use prior to enlistment?
For my amusement and probably the amusement of others, lets say I said yes.

I know you are itching to make a statement and go off on me, so have at it, son!!!

Please be original!
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:39   #176
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For my amusement and probably the amusement of others, lets say I said yes.

I know you are itching to make a statement and go off on me, so have at it, son!!!

Please be original!
You just proved my point that this case isn't about lying...it is about people not wanting gays in the military. You wouldn't answer the question and neither will anyone else in this thread who has been saying it is all about integrity and "lying".
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You just proved my point that this case isn't about lying...it is about people not wanting gays in the military. You wouldn't answer the question and neither will anyone else in this thread who has been saying it is all about integrity and "lying".
It is about lying.

It's none of my business if people are gay or not. More importantly, why would I care? All I would care about is if person can do their job competently and not get me killed.

The fact is/was that she lied. She got away with it and now doesn't have to worry. Was it moral/ethical? Who am I to say?

As for your made up MOH recipient, I'll say it again, he caused his own problems by lying. He has only himself to blame.
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Old 08-13-2012, 02:30   #178
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It is about lying.

It's none of my business if people are gay or not. More importantly, why would I care? All I would care about is if person can do their job competently and not get me killed.

The fact is/was that she lied. She got away with it and now doesn't have to worry. Was it moral/ethical? Who am I to say?

As for your made up MOH recipient, I'll say it again, he caused his own problems by lying. He has only himself to blame.
Ok, you seem to just be dancing around the issue.

1). Should the General be forced out of the military, etc?

2) Should a MOH recipient who lied about pot use to join up be stripped of his MOH?

Yes or no?
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Ok, you seem to just be dancing around the issue.

1). Should the General be forced out of the military, etc?
She'll still be in the military regardless of what I think.

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2) Should a MOH recipient who lied about pot use to join up be stripped of his MOH?

Yes or no?
Your fictional character made his own problems. BTW, how did he get caught in his lie?
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:05   #180
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An interesting tidbit, which hasn't been mentioned on here is that promotion to General has to be approved and voted on by the Senate. I'm sure they were aware of her need to lie, if in fact she did, way back when.
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