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Old 09-14-2012, 08:57   #41
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Any MSM news room: There's a good chance the Obama Administration knew 48 hours in advance about the Embassy attacks.
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:57   #42
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So other than surfing the net, how have you arrived at your world view? Have you spent any time at all in other countries? Which ones and how much time? Have you done anything professionally or as a student that helped you gain insight? What jobs/classes/degrees?
Yes I do spend A LOT of time on the net reading information from many sources, even sources I don't agree with (like this forum, generally), in order to objectively form opinions and complex theories based on the large amounts of information I soak up. I don't have the inclination to give you further personal information about myself since I get the feeling you're trying to come to some sort of conclusion about who I am. Never been asked by anyone for so much personal information on a website except you. I do recall how you essentially tried to frame me as some sort of terrorist in a previous thread. Remember, I do know how intelligence agencies function You'll have to just debate my statements at face value. You're really starting to creep me out with your personal information requests.

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Old 09-14-2012, 09:17   #43
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I don't even know what this means. "Level of experience in the world"? Been here on the planet a good while and have learned a lot through many sources over that period, which my brain type is able to process into complex understandings of things like how the CIA works. Im able to soak up tons of information, recognize patterns, and therefore formulate opinions and theories based on it.

"Does it work?" "It" being our foreign policy and overall current state of this nation. My answer is NO. Why not try some different things instead of doing the same things over and over and expecting different results?
Winnie... Life is not a Tom Clancy novel. Nor a Dean Koontz one, for that matter.

No offense, but if you actually believe all of what you just posted, I think we've all figured out what "brain type" you are.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:19   #44
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Yes I do spend A LOT of time on the net reading information from many sources, even sources I don't agree with (like this forum, generally), in order to objectively form opinions and complex theories based on the large amounts of information I soak up. I don't have the inclination to give you further personal information about myself since I get the feeling you're trying to come to some sort of conclusion about who I am. Never been asked by anyone for so much personal information on a website except you. I do recall how you essentially tried to frame me as some sort of terrorist in a previous thread. Remember, I do know how intelligence agencies function You'll have to just debate my statements at face value. You're really starting to creep me out with your personal information requests.
OMG, will you give that ultra-paranoid delusion a rest? Go to my profile - I volunteer plenty of information about myself. Asking what state you live in, or your education level, or your approximate age is hardly stalking.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:29   #45
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Winnie... Life is not a Tom Clancy novel. Nor a Dean Koontz one, for that matter.
Actually it is a Clancy novel. He has gov't employees vet his novels for technical accuracy. The exact plots may be fictional but the technical accuracy is not fictional.

Maybe you should have looked that up before you spoke about it:
http://www.aeispeakers.com/speakerbio.php?SpeakerID=213

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Admirals and generals give him access, Pentagon officials debrief him, and many of his books are required reading at our nation's military colleges.

It is this access to a wide variety of sources and information within military and intelligence circles that sets Clancy apart. Although he scoffs at the idea that he has ever breached government security in his books, Tom Clancy does admit that he has been able to tap into what he calls "The Great Chain" a network of intelligence officers and operatives, military men, defense contractors, and government employees who feed him information.
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No offense, but if you actually believe all of what you just posted, I think we've all figured out what "brain type" you are.
Im not particularly concerned since you can't even figure out Tom Clancy's bio without assistance. Your opinion is irrelevant.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:42   #46
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Actually it is a Clancy novel. He has gov't employees vet his novels for technical accuracy. The exact plots may be fictional but the technical accuracy is not fictional.

Maybe you should have looked that up before you spoke about it:
http://www.aeispeakers.com/speakerbio.php?SpeakerID=213

Im not particularly concerned since you can't even figure out Tom Clancy's bio without assistance. Your opinion is irrelevant.
Whatever you say... I only offer my observations.

"Technically correct with fictional plots"... Yeah, you're right... I must be the one confused...

Too bad about how those Russian ex-patriates took over Air Force One after the POTUS said we won't stand by and allow genocide anywhere in the world again... After all, that's "technically correct", right?
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:56   #47
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Whatever you say... I only offer my observations.

"Technically correct with fictional plots"... Yeah, you're right... I must be the one confused...

Too bad about how those Russian ex-patriates took over Air Force One after the POTUS said we won't stand by and allow genocide anywhere in the world again... After all, that's "technically correct", right?


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/technically?s=t

2. peculiar to or characteristic of a particular art, science, profession, trade, etc.: technical details.

3. using terminology or treating subject matter in a manner peculiar to a particular field, as a writer or a book: a technical report.

Maybe you misread what I meant by "technically accurate" but Clancy researches heavily to ensure his novels do not contain inaccurate technical information. Obviously, no Russians have hijacked Air Force One but you better believe Clancy knew how that plane is laid out, proper protocol for such an event, etc before he published it.

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QnMan. Golatender, Cav doc.



Here we have a look at how the paulbot mentality verges on a constant state of "conspiracy alert". Despite the fact that they claim to be all about "freedom" inside them lurks a little control demon. While they talk "freedom" they actually belive that everyting in the world happens because of plots, plans, conspiracies, etc. They cannot grasp "Occam's Razor".

The fact that more events in history have been shaped by luck, chance, stupidity, bad decisions, groups of fanatics and sole fanatics, is completely out of their reality. It all simply must be a conspiracy, a plot or someones plan.

What is scary, is that people who think this way are trying to take power in this Country. Do you really want to give power to folks whose whole paradigm is conspiracy?

They are sure these things control events, so how are they most likely to control events?
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:04   #49
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...pe=marketsNews

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Sudanese demonstrators broke into the German embassy in Khartoum on Friday, raising an Islamic flag and setting the building on fire in a protest against a film that demeaned the Prophet Mohammad, witnesses said.

Police had earlier fired tear gas to try to disperse some 5,000 protesters who had ringed the German embassy and nearby British mission. But a Reuters witness said policemen just stood by when the crowd forced its way into Germany’s mission.

Demonstrators hoisted a black Islamic flag saying in white letters “there is no God but God and Mohammed is his prophet”. They smashed windows, cameras and furniture in the building and then started a fire, witnesses said.
Damn those Germans and their interventionist policies in Khartoum.

And the Brits too...friggin interventionists!

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/38...ge-protest.htm
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Protesters against the US-made anti-Islam movie Innocence of Muslims have widened their target to include the UK as well as the US with demonstrators storming the British embassy in Sudan’s capital of Khartoum.
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With protests escalating across the Middle East and North Africa, one demonstrator was killed and 25 injured in Tripoli, Lebanon, and 5,000 demonstrators converged on the diplomatic compound in Khartoum.

“We can confirm that a demonstration is taking place in front of the embassy and that local police are at the scene,” a Foreign Office spokesman said of the situation in Sudan.
And now the US embassy in Tunis:

http://news.sky.com/story/985121/tun...ack-us-embassy

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Protesters have entered the US embassy in the Tunisia capital Tunis in the latest violence sparked by an anti-Muslim film.

A large fire could be seen burning inside the compound. Police fired teargas at the crowds, who broke windows and set fire to trees.
And now Sudan:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...bassies/56859/

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Update (10:55 a.m. EDT): Gunfire has broken out at the U.S. embassies in both Tunisia and Sudan as protesters attacked. Reuters reports five protesters were injured in Tunisia.
So when was it that we bombed the Sudan again....?


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Old 09-14-2012, 10:24   #50
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I don't even know what this means. "Level of experience in the world"? Been here on the planet a good while and have learned a lot through many sources over that period, which my brain type is able to process into complex understandings of things like how the CIA works. Im able to soak up tons of information, recognize patterns, and therefore formulate opinions and theories based on it.

"Does it work?" "It" being our foreign policy and overall current state of this nation. My answer is NO. Why not try some different things instead of doing the same things over and over and expecting different results?
How many times have you gone feet wet ?.'08.
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:25   #51
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...pe=marketsNews

Damn those Germans and their interventionist policies in Khartoum.

And the Brits too...friggin interventionists!

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/38...ge-protest.htm

And now the US embassy in Tunis:

http://news.sky.com/story/985121/tun...ack-us-embassy

And now Sudan:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...bassies/56859/



So when was it that we bombed the Sudan again....?

1998. Too easy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/us...n-1172925.html

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In north-east Khartoum, the US strikes wrecked a building which America claimed was a chemical weapons plant but the Sudanese said was a pharmaceuticals factory. The Sudanese Interior Minister, Abdel-Raheem Mohammed, denied there were any chemical weapons factories in the country.

A Sudanese mob stormed the empty US Embassy compound in Khartoum. Scores of people scaled its wrought-iron perimeter fence while hundreds more outside threw stones at the building or struck at the fence with sticks. They shouted: "Allahu Akbar", the Muslim rally cry meaning "God is Great", and: "Down, Down USA", in English.
http://www.mega.nu/ampp/khartoumbomb.html

Lots more archived articles on it at that link. It was an aspirin factory.

There's that damn repeating history popping up again!

And here's "our closest Middle East ally" blowing things up in Sudan much more recently.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_845417.html

I can't imagine why Sudanese would be tired of being bombed. Aren't they supposed to enjoy being democratized?


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How many times have you gone feet wet ?.'08.
Military? Never. Not sure how that matters.

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1998.
So it took them 14 years to work up the courage to storm our embassy?



pause.....



I think you need a new theory.
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Winnie -

I give up. Clearly, you are more... well, SOMETHING... than all the rest of us combined. Thank God there aren't more of your "brain type".

And if it pains you so to come hang with us ignorant mouth breathers, please stop coming back. I will miss you until you resurface again.
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Yes I do spend A LOT of time on the net reading information from many sources, even sources I don't agree with (like this forum, generally), in order to objectively form opinions and complex theories based on the large amounts of information I soak up. I don't have the inclination to give you further personal information about myself since I get the feeling you're trying to come to some sort of conclusion about who I am. Never been asked by anyone for so much personal information on a website except you. I do recall how you essentially tried to frame me as some sort of terrorist in a previous thread. Remember, I do know how intelligence agencies function You'll have to just debate my statements at face value. You're really starting to creep me out with your personal information requests.
I have intentionally avoided looking for any names of delegates, I have no interest in anyone here in real life. But I did want to give you an opportunity to guve some credence to your position.

But no response is a response. Hope you don't mind all of us assuming that your sources are Truther sites, George
Noory and Alex Jones then, with no international personal experience. All you know is what others have told you, that made it through your tinfoil filter.
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Winnie -

It's also amusing that the poster brings up a reference to 1984.

I think you are right on, Q.


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1998. Too easy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/us...n-1172925.html



http://www.mega.nu/ampp/khartoumbomb.html

Lots more archived articles on it at that link. It was an aspirin factory.

There's that damn repeating history popping up again!

And here's "our closest Middle East ally" blowing things up in Sudan much more recently.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_845417.html

I can't imagine why Sudanese would be tired of being bombed. Aren't they supposed to enjoy being democratized?




Military? Never. Not sure how that matters.

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See, now we know you are more polite in person, cause with your nose bleeding every 28 days like it does, you'd never say that to a vet face to face.

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Here we have a look at how the paulbot mentality verges on a constant state of "conspiracy alert". Despite the fact that they claim to be all about "freedom" inside them lurks a little control demon. While they talk "freedom" they actually belive that everyting in the world happens because of plots, plans, conspiracies, etc. They cannot grasp "Occam's Razor".

The fact that more events in history have been shaped by luck, chance, stupidity, bad decisions, groups of fanatics and sole fanatics, is completely out of their reality. It all simply must be a conspiracy, a plot or someones plan.

What is scary, is that people who think this way are trying to take power in this Country. Do you really want to give power to folks whose whole paradigm is conspiracy?

They are sure these things control events, so how are they most likely to control events?
The theme that keeps coming up is a know it all that's done nothing. Amazing how he knows so much about foreign affairs without ever leaving the country, he is a product of his predispositions and the media he chooses to confirm his own wacky conspiracy theories. The more you know, the more you are supposed to realize you have a lot to learn. He is unencumbered by that notion.
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"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." - SecState Kissinger, as reported by Bob Woodward in book Final Days
Well during his time Kissinger was correct,times they are a changing.Our military is better trained and smarter than years ago.

As ta the "feet" wet comment,it goes ta show your lack of understanding of world military events.It's kinda hard ta speak ta something using "net" info,instead of actually being there.'08.
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The theme that keeps coming up is a know it all that's done nothing. Amazing how he knows so much about foreign affairs without ever leaving the country, he is a product of his predispositions and the media he chooses to confirm his own wacky conspiracy theories. The more you know, the more you are supposed to realize you have a lot to learn. He is unencumbered by that notion.
The more you learn about real events in history the more you realize how little effect "conspiracies" could have in the face of the vagaries of individual decisions.

General McClellan had confederate battle plans, found in a field, in his hands and fumbled around with them until it was too late to make good use of the information.

Look up the "McCluskey turn" in WWII, one decision changed events.


Some very fine high level military minds in Germany were not able to pull off a simple Private's job and kill one man. The failed in more than one attempt to kill a maniac.

The decision to ride in a convertible one day made events in Dallas significant.

A piece of tape left over a door lock uravelled a group of "plumbers"

Great events are most often the result of anything but carefully crafted plans.
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