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Old 09-10-2012, 13:33   #26
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Only drawback: they only really work when you're invading Poland.
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Old 09-11-2012, 14:52   #27
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How about moving to America? You wouldn't have to worry about the limit, and guns are cheaper here!
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Old 09-11-2012, 19:27   #28
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I have a Taurus PT1911SS and it is a good gun, I have had 0 problems with mine. I also own a Remington R1 1911 like it even better than the taurus. I also own a RIA compact, well made and very good. The Tarus and the RIA both have life time warranties/ the Remington only has a 2 year warranty. I trust all of them and no complaints with any of them.

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Old 09-12-2012, 14:57   #29
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How about moving to America?
Well, a greencard would be the first problem. But apart from that, I really like living in Europe. We have beer that doesn't taste like piss

But let's see where we end up. I work for a multinational company and America is a growing market. But I would prefer Scandinavia.
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Old 09-12-2012, 15:06   #30
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Here is the Taurus and Remington.
Both look excellent. I got the permit for my CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow (*******it, why the long name?) yesterday, and I picked it up tonight. (its 23.00 around here)

Feels great, looks great for a used pistol and I'm going to have a much better result with it than with my Smith & Wesson.

Now I only need to decide if I want to trade that pistol for a Norinco 1911.
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:42   #31
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I have 2 friends with PT1911's. They both have one in 9mm and one in .45ACP. The one buddy has had zero issues and couldnt be happier. The other buddy had to send both pistols back. One was for a sight problem, and the other was for a trigger and feed ramp issue.

I will say though that customer service took care of everything for him in short order with no questions asked. They addressed all of his issues and then sent the pistols back with a few additional upgrades and magazines for his trouble. Taurus customer service is top notch. Also, for the record, I watched a guy at the range with a $3000 Nighthawk 1911 pick up my friends Taurus and shoot a nice tight group at 10 yards. The next words out of his mouth were "You paid how much for this?!?!"

Every pistol manufacturer can make duds, some just more often than others. I bought a Kimber Raptor II a year ago to the tune of $1300. It shot flawlessly from round 1 and is currently near 1000. A few weeks ago, I bought a Kimber Super Carry Pro for $1200, and it is on it's way back to Kimber now. It is ejecting brass at nearly a 90 degree sweep and two to three feet in height difference. Some brass ends up practically falling out when the slide cycles, and other rounds hit me in the forehead with enough force to leave a cut. The pistol was also experiencing failures to return to battery without a push from my thumb.

After speaking with them, they said it is not right, even for a pistol not completely broken in and asked me the general questions. Multiple different mags, multiple types of factory ball ammo, and no modifications. That was all they needed to hear to send me a shipping label.

Being out of the country though, and everything else being said, returning a Taurus to the factory may be a bit more problematic, so it may not be the best choice. The CZ may fit the bill a bit better. I will say this though.

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Old 09-13-2012, 15:52   #32
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I expect Taurus after sales to be non-existent overhere. I might as well go for the Norinco and change whatever comes to mind and still be cheaper off than buying a Taurus and then customizing it.
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Old 09-15-2012, 06:54   #33
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I expect Taurus after sales to be non-existent overhere. I might as well go for the Norinco and change whatever comes to mind and still be cheaper off than buying a Taurus and then customizing it.
I would expect the same being that Tuarus is a 30 minute drive from me in South FL. The point I was trying to make is that Taurus makes an excellent product a good majority of the time. I would not buy a new one being out of the country. If I lived in Europe and was considering a PT1911 it would have to be used and proven to be off of their assembly line on a good day.
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:14   #34
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Fair enough.

Since the trade-offer is for a Norinco, is there anyone with hands on experience who has tips on what to look at when test-firing it?
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:30   #35
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Feed ramp modification is the biggest potential. Test firing is your best bet. A box of 50 HP rounds. Norinco's are great guns.
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Old 09-16-2012, 09:21   #36
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I don't think I will be shooting much hollow point. They're expensive and I only shoot paper targets.

But thanks for the tip, the feedramp might also be an issue with other ammo, such as flatnose.
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Old 09-17-2012, 15:06   #37
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If I like test shooting the 1911, my ideas about customizing the pistol are:

-STI Trigger Long Polymer Black
-Black Commander-style hammer
-Black STI Beavertail
-Tighter barrel bushing
-Wilson Combat snag free sights, 3 dot
-Black Ergo grips or fingergrooved rubber grips

The slide will be Gunkoted black, the frame Olive Drab.

What do you think?
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Old 09-17-2012, 20:47   #38
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One thing that I like about the Sig 1911 is that it will feed 200 gr LSWC without having to modify the feed ramp. It also feeds 230 gr FMJ and 230 gr LRN.

The gun just shoots! I was out doing a little action pistol practice yesterday and, as my grandson was out playing baseball, I finally got a chance to shoot the Sig. I like the Sig a lot more than the Colt Government Combat I had been shooting. I really like the grips! When you grab a handful, the gun stays put.

Standard mag capacity is 8+1 which is about what you could expect from a single stack 1911. Other magazines will fit.

The only problem, and I consider it minor, is that the gun won't fit any 1911 holsters. About the only holster that works is the Sig SERPA style. But it works well...

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Old 09-19-2012, 09:45   #39
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First I read the whole post. You want a gun that has a lot of options and is affordable. I love my Ruger SR1911 it has all the options you are looking for and is very good fit and finish and is made here in the States. The Remington is a good gun for the price as well. Don't own a Remington but it has all the features your looking for as well at a fair price. I believe that is what you are looking for. If you want to do some gunsmithing an put nice parts in a good starter I would recommend a IAC Regent 1911. I took one of these and learned how to do everything on a 1911. Great fit and finish. It is out of Turkey. Just some things to think about without being a salesman for a perticular gun.
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I don't think I will be shooting much hollow point. They're expensive and I only shoot paper targets.

But thanks for the tip, the feedramp might also be an issue with other ammo, such as flatnose.
I like the 200 gr LSWC for punching holes. These bullets feed perfectly in a Sig 1911 and a Colt Government Combat - both guns are box stock.

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Old 09-20-2012, 07:55   #41
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Congrats on your CZ. If you are still in the market for a 1911, what about the Kimber Custom II models. They're good guns for the money.

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Old 09-20-2012, 13:39   #42
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If I were still in the market for a brand new 1911, the Kimber would be top of my list. They cost around 1250 overhere, which is slightly over $1500.

For now, I got my mind set on testing the Norinco. If it's within my expectations, I will make the trade and start having it customised. I like projects. :D
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Old 09-28-2012, 16:43   #43
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If I were still in the market for a brand new 1911, the Kimber would be top of my list. They cost around €1250 overhere, which is slightly over $1500.

For now, I got my mind set on testing the Norinco. If it's within my expectations, I will make the trade and start having it customised. I like projects. :D
I've had 5 Norinco's. For some stupid reason I would feel like I had to sell them off, last one I sold I saw a former Marine friend use to put 5 rounds through one hole at 30 feet in failing daylight.

They come with tiny sights. Of the two I have left, I had a gunsmith put bigger "old man" sights on for me. I had to bring it back to him a couple of times to have him mill the rear sight down before it began shooting to point of aim.

Other than that, the only thing I changed on it was the grips, found a pair of nice double diamond wood grips that I liked. I added some non slip tape (normally used on concrete steps to prevent slipping) with the texture crushed down to the front part of the grip strap. Kind of poor man's checkering.

The other Norinco I have I bought recently for it's "bling". Nickle plated, more of a "show off" piece at the range. Every Norinco I've have shot to point of aim and was a solid performing gun. They generally have stronger steel than Colts.

I wouldn't change much of anything unless you find a faulty component. Mine even handle hollow point without a problem.
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Only drawback: they only really work when you're invading Poland.
Invading Netherlands is even easier, so just don't sweat too much. BTW...we have many, many Norincos around here - about 90% of those are crap, so be careful. I think that Norinco 1911 is perfect if You are new to the platform - just to learn and make all the mistakes on the cheap pistol. Who knows? In the end You may build yourself a nice 1911. However I wouldn't spend any money on upgrading it via gunsmith - learn this stuff yourself. I had 3 Norincos so far (1911, bolt rifle and 22 pistol), all 3 had serious issues and one literally disintegrated in my hand on the range. Good luck though.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:35   #45
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The CZ is a great pistol. As per a 1911, shop around, make sure it meets ISO 9001 standards and you are good to go. Meeting those standards it meets international quality standards and you'll have parts interchangeability when you wear out a part.
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Old 10-04-2012, 14:22   #46
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I've had 5 Norinco's. For some stupid reason I would feel like I had to sell them off, last one I sold I saw a former Marine friend use to put 5 rounds through one hole at 30 feet in failing daylight.

They come with tiny sights. Of the two I have left, I had a gunsmith put bigger "old man" sights on for me. I had to bring it back to him a couple of times to have him mill the rear sight down before it began shooting to point of aim.

Other than that, the only thing I changed on it was the grips, found a pair of nice double diamond wood grips that I liked. I added some non slip tape (normally used on concrete steps to prevent slipping) with the texture crushed down to the front part of the grip strap. Kind of poor man's checkering.

The other Norinco I have I bought recently for it's "bling". Nickle plated, more of a "show off" piece at the range. Every Norinco I've have shot to point of aim and was a solid performing gun. They generally have stronger steel than Colts.

I wouldn't change much of anything unless you find a faulty component. Mine even handle hollow point without a problem.
Sounds good. And the idea of owning a .45 is appealing. Of course it's overkill on paper targets, but I like it. Just like my .30-06: insanely overpowered, but tons of fun.
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Old 10-14-2012, 09:43   #47
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Okay, the project is starting to get concrete. How about these parts:

STI Trigger Long Polymer Black
Wilson Combat Value Line Speed Hammer 1911 Blue
STI Beavertail Grip Safety 1911 Series 70 Blue
Swenson Drop-In National Match barrel bushing
ERGO Grips XT Tapered Bottom
LPA SPR 1911 Narrow Tenon Front 3-Dot sights
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:09   #48
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I really like the Cylinder and Slide ignition kits. You get a complete drop in trigger kit and most of the time you don't need to do a thing to it.
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Kind of affordable: Kimber Custom Target II Blue $1550

Looks pretty nice, with the adjustable sights:
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Who's trying to rob me? Just about anyone. Since I live in Europe, we need to import Kimber. So I end up being robbed by your state and/or commerce department for the export license, customs in my country and my local dealer, who also needs to make a profit.

If I want to buy a new 1911 for a reasonable price, my options are very limited. Taurus ($900) or Norinco ($435-$535). Kimber, STI,SVI and the likes cost an arm and a leg.
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