[BDuffel]

Originally Posted by T. R. Graham

Due to reports of barrel chipping, I am suspending sales of the MGSL until I can determine the exact cause of this problem. I am asking anyone who has experienced barrel chipping using my MGSL to please call me at 832-695-7192.

Interested in trying one but curious if problems are resolved or if Mr. Graham is selling these again. The above post was from February of 2012.

Thanks.

[recon]

Has T. R. Graham said anything yet on this other than what he already posted?

[g9er]

Originally Posted by BDuffel

Interested in trying one but curious if problems are resolved or if Mr. Graham is selling these again. The above post was from February of 2012.

Thanks.

Ditto...

[steveac1]

Emailed Graham a few times now with no responce. Looking to experiment with the MGSL on a Gen 3 17.

[rick458]

It tightened my groups up a bit, with zero issues on my Gen3 G-17, it is my EDC.

[glockon]

A few people w/ a few guns. ok talked about it, sounds like a little filing or hand sanding (fitting) would solve the prob.
Has anyone done this simple thing that sounds like a no brainer?
Now that you've scared off the manufacturer w/out any diligance I can't buy one to try. Or fit a little if needed. How about if someone sells me their "bad" part so i can get one,I actually want 4 & will take 4 if i can get them, Come on so I can improve accuracy w/ my glocks!
You can pm if for shipping info.

[SJ 40]

Originally Posted by glockon

A few people w/ a few guns. ok talked about it, sounds like a little filing or hand sanding (fitting) would solve the prob.
Has anyone done this simple thing that sounds like a no brainer?
Now that you've scared off the manufacturer w/out any diligance I can't buy one to try. Or fit a little if needed. How about if someone sells me their "bad" part so i can get one,I actually want 4 & will take 4 if i can get them, Come on so I can improve accuracy w/ my glocks!
You can pm if for shipping info.

Actually I think the change that occurred was on Glocks part.
If one were to change TR's slot in his MGSL it would some what ,or all together negate the benefit of his fine MGSL.
SJ 40

[Bow Commander]

Still have it installed in my G19RTF2. About 3000 rounds now. Still locks up tighter than the stock piece.

[jbglock]

Frankly I think it is a device made for people that don't understand how their Glocks work. At twenty feet I can take my either of my 17's and consistenty have 5 shots all at worst still touching each other. So what would this device do for me exactly? I think people get it, think it makes their gun more accurate, gain some confidence, and do shoot better. I've never seen a Glock with an accuracy problem that didn't end up being a shooter grip, trigger, or flinching problem. Want to impress me when this product comes back out? Get two identical factory stock 17's. In one put this device. The other leave the factory device. Get a group of 5 good shooters together. Let each one do tests with 5 rounds per gun. Switch them so one time they shoot one or the other first but never tell them which has the device. Prove that the device does what some of you claim vs. just thinking it does.

[ChCx91]

*EDITED* Talked to Mr. Graham and he cleared up some of the questions I had.

[ricklee4570]

Originally Posted by ChCx91

*EDITED* Talked to Mr. Graham and he cleared up some of the questions I had.

Could you share this information with us?

[SCSU74]

Originally Posted by jbglock

Frankly I think it is a device made for people that don't understand how their Glocks work. At twenty feet I can take my either of my 17's and consistenty have 5 shots all at worst still touching each other. So what would this device do for me exactly? I think people get it, think it makes their gun more accurate, gain some confidence, and do shoot better. I've never seen a Glock with an accuracy problem that didn't end up being a shooter grip, trigger, or flinching problem. Want to impress me when this product comes back out? Get two identical factory stock 17's. In one put this device. The other leave the factory device. Get a group of 5 good shooters together. Let each one do tests with 5 rounds per gun. Switch them so one time they shoot one or the other first but never tell them which has the device. Prove that the device does what some of you claim vs. just thinking it does.

I got it more for the ease of take-down, it is very well made and I like them. Best of all it supports a fellow Texan. T.R. is a great guy and I have had 0 issues with the 4 glocks that have his part installed.

[SCSU74]

Originally Posted by g9er

Ditto...

Talked to him last week on the phone, he is not selling or producing these anymore. Which sucks because I love them and can no longer add them to my new guns. Ran off by the BTF crowd, sweet...

[jbglock]

Originally Posted by SCSU74

Talked to him last week on the phone, he is not selling or producing these anymore. Which sucks because I love them and can no longer add them to my new guns. Ran off by the BTF crowd, sweet...

I though the issue was the breakages that this was causing that he was trying to figure out.

[TTAC]

Glock changed their heat treating and deminsions of the rear lug notch this stop engages on their newer guns.
Why they changed this when the gun was built like a tank, I don't know.

[SCSU74]

Originally Posted by jbglock

I though the issue was the breakages that this was causing that he was trying to figure out.

Ya the issue was with barrel lugs "chipping". I group them all together in the complainers group.


Sent from my iPhone... which probably auto-corrected something wrong

[.38 super]

Originally Posted by jbglock

Frankly I think it is a device made for people that don't understand how their Glocks work..... Prove that the device does what some of you claim vs. just thinking it does.

Frankly Glocks are not the most sharp guns and this device does mechanicaly enhance the return of the barrel in the same position after the shot.
Shooting off hand doesn't mean anything, in regard of your example with the two G17s, you will observe different story when you put both guns on Ransom Rest.

[jbglock]

Originally Posted by SCSU74

Ya the issue was with barrel lugs "chipping". I group them all together in the complainers group.


Sent from my iPhone... which probably auto-corrected something wrong

So what should a person who bought this and had their barrel lug chip do? Just take it like a man and not report it?

Originally Posted by .38 super

Frankly Glocks are not the most sharp guns and this device does mechanicaly enhance the return of the barrel in the same position after the shot.
Shooting off hand doesn't mean anything, in regard of your example with the two G17s, you will observe different story when you put both guns on Ransom Rest.

A stock Glock 26 or 17 in my hands makes one hole for 5 rounds from 20 feet. I'm not exactly a gifted shooter either.

I would agree about the value of a test from a Ransom though.

[SCSU74]

Originally Posted by jbglock

So what should a person who bought this and had their barrel lug chip do? Just take it like a man and not report it?



A stock Glock 26 or 17 in my hands makes one hole for 5 rounds from 20 feet. I'm not exactly a gifted shooter either.

I would agree about the value of a test from a Ransom though.

i have a hard time believing they chipped enough to effect the performance of the gun, if at all

[.38 super]

Originally Posted by jbglock

...A stock Glock 26 or 17 in my hands makes one hole for 5 rounds from 20 feet. I'm not exactly a gifted shooter either.

I would agree about the value of a test from a Ransom though.

I'm sorry, 20' are about 7 meters, try it on 20 yards, off hand with standard issue G22 and then come and tell me how sharp are you with your stock Glock...

If you agree on the Ransom Rest what is your point then ?
Just because in your hands the gun is sharp this means that we all should be shooting as you do ?
If I can dump the mag of my G22 in 4-7" circle, rapid fire, on 7-10 yards, I'll be happy. This slide lock did shrink my group little bit and this is all I care about.

Your abilities with G26 or 17 are irrelevant for the subject of this conversation because theoretically and practically the device is proven to do whatever it was intended to do.

If you can recognize an attack, draw and fire 5 shots in one POA, on 7' this is great, good for you. I cannot do it and I don't have time to do all of the required training for such result so devices as this-one are in my opinion helping me, what's your case... frankly, I don't care...

[jbglock]

Originally Posted by .38 super

I'm sorry, 20' are about 7 meters, try it on 20 yards, off hand with standard issue G22 and then come and tell me how sharp are you with your stock Glock...

Fire about 5 rounds at a decent pace at 20' and make one hole. I've only seen maybe 1 in 50 at best that can do that no matter what gun they have. I'm not a machine but 25 yards is not a problem. Not one hole any more though so less fun for me.

Originally Posted by .38 super

If you agree on the Ransom Rest what is your point then ?

Some kind of controlled test vs. you all just "think" it did something would be more useful information.

Originally Posted by .38 super

Just because in your hands the gun is sharp this means that we all should be shooting as you do ?

Nope. It means the guns are much more accurate than most here realize otherwise they'd waste less money on gimmicks and spend it on training to get them past their shooting issues.

Originally Posted by .38 super

If I can dump the mag of my G22 in 4-7" circle, rapid fire, on 7-10 yards, I'll be happy. This slide lock did shrink my group little bit and this is all I care about.

If you THINK it helped you I am glad for you.

Originally Posted by .38 super

Your abilities with G26 or 17 are irrelevant for the subject of this conversation because theoretically and practically the device is proven to do whatever it was intended to do.

I don't agree with the theory of it. I feel the theory is flawed. I don't agree that it has been proven in practice. If I had some miracle device that would magically improve the accuracy I would have tests that proved it. I can still remember when aftermarket guide rods first came out for the Glock and people were convince they made dramatic differences in accuracy.

Originally Posted by .38 super

If you can recognize an attack, draw and fire 5 shots in one POA, on 7' this is great, good for you. I cannot do it and I don't have time to do all of the required training for such result so devices as this-one are in my opinion helping me, what's your case... frankly, I don't care...

I think you are CONVINCED it is helping you.

[jbglock]

Originally Posted by SCSU74

i have a hard time believing they chipped enough to effect the performance of the gun, if at all

I have a hard time believing you would not consider that an issue. If the man making this wants advice on how to fix it and make it work for the newer guns then he can PM for some free advice.

[JBarbaresi]

I wouldn't normally post this here but since these are no longer being sold and several of you are looking for one, I have a very lightly used one I will sell for the original price including shipping. First to PM me for paypal gift instructions gets it and i'll ship tomorrow morning.

I bought it direct from TR in June 2011 and shot maybe 100 rounds using it. Never caused any issues, I just removed it before selling the gun it was in and never reinstalled it.

[BroncoAZ]

I purchased two and installed one in my G35, I never got around to installing the other one. Someone could buy one or both. PM if interested, same deal as JBarbaresi.

[ModGlock17]

Originally Posted by jbglock

Frankly I think it is a device made for people that don't understand how their Glocks work. At twenty feet I can take my either of my 17's and consistenty have 5 shots all at worst still touching each other. So what would this device do for me exactly? I think people get it, think it makes their gun more accurate, gain some confidence, and do shoot better. I've never seen a Glock with an accuracy problem that didn't end up being a shooter grip, trigger, or flinching problem. Want to impress me when this product comes back out? Get two identical factory stock 17's. In one put this device. The other leave the factory device. Get a group of 5 good shooters together. Let each one do tests with 5 rounds per gun. Switch them so one time they shoot one or the other first but never tell them which has the device. Prove that the device does what some of you claim vs. just thinking it does.

Been there. Done that. Same G17, I just took it down and slid in the MGSL. Got several target sheets somewhere in my garage, too much trouble to find it now. Convinced long ago.

Good idea on the test. Same shooter, Same gun, Same day, Same ammo 10 rounds each. I would recommend that everyone do this, to prove it to themselves.