[IvanVic]

Originally Posted by douggmc

Do you own the term or its definition?

No. I also don't own the definition of the word "shoe". Does that mean it's correct to start calling the 500 pound stainless steel box that keeps our food cold a "sneaker"?

[Gunnut 45/454]

Thats right why have Marriage at all! You can go screw anyone you want, live with them and when you get tried of there **** just leave. If you have kids with twenty different women who cares, just get a new one, let them take care of them, you don't have to pay nothing or raise them. Who cares right it's not your responsibility! That means no divorce , no allimony, no cares what so ever. Hey your kids can screw each other as well I mean we shouldn't care what they do right! Why should you, you don't care who your sleeping with nor the kids you have! Right! Now of course this doen't apply to gay couples as they can't have children- oh wait they can now since anything goes right! So Lesbian can get knockup for free by some dude- save the trip to a doctor to get enseminated!

[NMG26]

Originally Posted by IvanVic

Because it is not a man and a woman. Pretending that the word marriage has not retained a historical meaning in Western civilization is dishonest.

Honestly there are a lot of different ways to see a thing. The word marriage is used in cooking, art, culture, for things coming together.

You can have a small view of things or a large view of things.

Pretending that there is only one way to see a thing is dishonest.

No double entendres intended.


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[douggmc]

Originally Posted by IvanVic

No. I also don't own the definition of the word "shoe". Does that mean it's correct to start calling the 500 pound stainless steel box that keeps our food cold a "sneaker"?

OK ... We are clear then. You don't own the term or its definition. So ... Mind your own business and quit trying to define it for someone else.

PS - You can call your shoe OR your refrigerator whatever you want. Doesn't impact me. See how that works? Neat .. Huh?

[janice6]

Originally Posted by HarlDane

Animals can't consent. Of course, I'm fairly sure you know that.

What about implied consent.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...mplied+consent


"Consent that is inferred from signs, actions, or facts, or by inaction or silence."

Not that there is anything wrong with that.....

[NMG26]

Originally Posted by janice6

What about implied consent.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...mplied+consent


"Consent that is inferred from signs, actions, or facts, or by inaction or silence."

Not that there is anything wrong with that.....

Well they can't hire their own lawyers so there is little chance............



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[IvanVic]

Originally Posted by NMG26

Honestly there are a lot of different ways to see a thing. The word marriage is used in cooking, art, culture, for things coming together.
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So you're going to tell me that you don't understand the difference between how the word marriage applies in the context of a married couple and the context of cooking?

Originally Posted by douggmc

OK ... We are clear then. You don't own the term or its definition.

Nobody owns definitions. By their very nature they are not things that can be owned. Your argument seems to be: since nobody can own a definition, then words have no real meaning. When I say "tree", you could honestly have no idea what I'm referring to and think that I might be referencing the rocking chair you're sitting on rather than the spruce in your front yard.

I think it's fair to say that you've lost the argument at that point.

[NMG26]

Originally Posted by IvanVic

So you're going to tell me that you don't understand the difference between how word marriage applies in the context of a couple and the context of cooking?

So you're going to tell me that don't undestand how the word marriage is things coming together? A couple is not just man and woman. A couple of anything coming together can be called a marriage. You may not like it, but that is the way the word is used.

Understand?


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[Chronos]

Originally Posted by Woofie

I think this is the first time I've ever opened a GT thread and saw so many rational posts. I approve.

Ditto.

Btw, there *is* a slippery slope to be afraid of, but it's the one that looks more like George Orwell at the bottom than Joseph Smith.

[IvanVic]

Originally Posted by NMG26

So you're going to tell me that don't undestand how the word marriage is things coming together?

Yes, marriage in a general sense means the coming together of things - although in usage, it distinguishes. Words have context and their definition applies accordingly.

Example: If you were describing an car accident, you wouldn't say "the two cars married," even though they technically 'came together' when they impacted.

If I'm going to have to run a remedial reading class every time I quote one of your posts, this is going to wear thin rather quickly.

[NMG26]

Originally Posted by IvanVic

If I'm going to have to run a remedial reading class every time I quote one of your posts, this is going to wear thin rather quickly.

Just messing with you man. You can be right today.

[Foxtrotx1]

polygamy was fine in the old testament/new testament.

[Gunnut 45/454]

Foxtrotx1
Yet being gay was not! So now your going to use the Bilble to justify this crap? Really? The Hypocracy of the Homosexual agenda pushers is over the top! As I said in my first post - why don't we just get rid of Marriage all together! Take all responsibility out of relationships! Go sleep with whom ever or what ever you want- absolutely no obligations! While we are at it lets just do away with all responisiblity for anyone- no laws, no governement at all just do as you please!

[Guss]

Originally Posted by Foxtrotx1

polygamy was fine in the old testament/new testament.

And don't forget the Muslims.

[Foxtrotx1]

Originally Posted by Gunnut 45/454

Foxtrotx1
Yet being gay was not! So now your going to use the Bilble to justify this crap? Really? The Hypocracy of the Homosexual agenda pushers is over the top! As I said in my first post - why don't we just get rid of Marriage all together! Take all responsibility out of relationships! Go sleep with whom ever or what ever you want- absolutely no obligations! While we are at it lets just do away with all responisiblity for anyone- no laws, no governement at all just do as you please!

[Louisville Glocker]

I've always figured that if gays want to get married, power to them. Next, they'll get to be introduced to gay divorce. Seriously.

But, the legal implications are significant, especially in financial and end-of-life matters. And I don't feel like I should judge who should or should not be "allowed" to marry. I mean if you love someone and want to be with them, then sure, fine. Nobody, especially not the government, should tell you it isn't ok, because of what shape, size, color, or gender you are. If you're of age, fine by me.

As for polygamy (Mitt Romney Mormons start ringing in my head), I guess if that is what people want then ok by me. There could be some trickier financial implications, like insurance and social security benefits, that might need some amending. One guy dies, and twenty women are getting his death benefits? I don't claim to no the details, but a lot of laws are written assuming one husband and one wife, and those may have to be changed if polygamy is allowed. But if everyone consents, sure, it is a free country!!

(and yeah, I have enough trouble with one woman, can't imagine two or more...jeez...)_

[Sam Spade]

If you view the individual as the center of all things, then no, society has no interest and no rightful say in who marries whom.

But the individual is not the center of all things; the individual is not sustainable. It is the family, not the person, that is the building block of society. It is the nuclear and extend family that forms society. That's been true since clans evolved into tribes and defined "their" territory as distinct from others. Society wasn't built around a hodge-lodge of individuals, but around families. And that's why every society of people in recorded history had a say in who marries whom.

[QNman]

Originally Posted by steveksux

So if polygamy is having one wife too many, what's the difference between that and regular marriage???

Randy

You know what the punishment for polygamy is, don't you?
















Two wives!!

[QNman]

On a serious note, the fed.gov needs to GTFO of the marriage business entirely. Problem solved.

[frank4570]

Why is the govt wasting MY money being the morality police? Freakin ridiculous.

If my neighbor wants to have 2 wives I don't give a damn as long as he doesn't try to recruit MY wife. Stupid laws.

[frank4570]

The reason the family is important is it gives the members a chance to meet each other, help each other, and learn from each other. Wisdom is passed from older to younger, and younger folks are helped to get started.
The numbers don't matter. A person who is naturally monogamous will learn the same things from a polyamorous family." Respect your elders, eat your veggies, take care of your family, don't buy stuff you can't afford, call us if your car breaks down, etc, etc, etc."

Originally Posted by Sam Spade

If you view the individual as the center of all things, then no, society has no interest and no rightful say in who marries whom.

But the individual is not the center of all things; the individual is not sustainable. It is the family, not the person, that is the building block of society. It is the nuclear and extend family that forms society. That's been true since clans evolved into tribes and defined "their" territory as distinct from others. Society wasn't built around a hodge-lodge of individuals, but around families. And that's why every society of people in recorded history had a say in who marries whom.

[Dalton Wayne]

I see nothing wrong with it as long as you don't collect wives.........

[Gary W Trott]

Gay marriage? Sure....They should have
the right to be as miserable as the rest of us.

[Gunnut 45/454]

So everyone is ok with the Scumbag that will not work to support his six wives that have ten kids and lives in Government housing ,on welfare and food stamps? You going to pay more in taxes just so they can live the life they want?

[Beware Owner]

NAMBLA and B4U-Act to lower age of consent...