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Old 09-26-2012, 15:34   #61
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I see no difference at all! Still dead beats feeding off my tax dollars! Cause the Government lets them! Where as if the welfare queens didn't get one dime more for having a baby out of wedlock then I'd bet money she wouldn't have those children! If they made the dead beat dad pay for those kids they wouldn't go around knocking up women for fun! Would not give them the tax break for a dependant child either unless they prove it was born in wedlock or the father was named! I know I'm a heartless SOB so be it!
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Old 09-26-2012, 16:00   #62
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And what is your opinion of gays fighting to lower age of consent laws so they can have sex with minors? If they can have sex with them, they'll be able to marry them, too.
Exactly the same as my opinion of straight people who fight to lower the age of consent laws. Children can't give consent. There is nothing complicated about it.
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Old 09-26-2012, 16:03   #63
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I see no difference at all! Still dead beats feeding off my tax dollars! Cause the Government lets them! Where as if the welfare queens didn't get one dime more for having a baby out of wedlock then I'd bet money she wouldn't have those children! If they made the dead beat dad pay for those kids they wouldn't go around knocking up women for fun! Would not give them the tax break for a dependant child either unless they prove it was born in wedlock or the father was named! I know I'm a heartless SOB so be it!
If we stopped paying people to have children, a bunch of our problems would just go away, and our culture would change for the better.
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Old 09-26-2012, 17:09   #64
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Old 09-26-2012, 17:27   #65
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Old 09-26-2012, 17:31   #66
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So everyone is ok with the Scumbag that will not work to support his six wives that have ten kids and lives in Government housing ,on welfare and food stamps? You going to pay more in taxes just so they can live the life they want?
I hate this argument so much that it causes me physical pain. I hate it now, I hate it when it's applied to seatbelt and helmet laws. It's so wrong. It's everything that's wrong with humanity. It's every bit of illogical, horrendous thinking that ever get's spewed out to the public as truth.

If you don't like paying for peoples stupid mistakes, e.g. having children they can't afford, having children with multiple wives they can't afford, getting in car wrecks with no insurance- why is the answer in your mind ALWAYS to legislate away their right to make a mistake, and not to legislate away your duty to pay for it????

I can't stand it. THAT is the problem. Not seat belt laws, not consenting ADULTS (this has nothing to do with kids) living the sexual existence that brings them to peace...the problem is you paying for that. Legislate that away.

But I suspect people that use this argument don't care about paying as much as they care about forcing people to live the life that they themselves see fit. The tax money is just a pathetic excuse that sound less nosy than "I hate what you do and my way is better".
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Old 09-26-2012, 17:59   #67
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I hate this argument so much that it causes me physical pain. I hate it now, I hate it when it's applied to seatbelt and helmet laws. It's so wrong. It's everything that's wrong with humanity. It's every bit of illogical, horrendous thinking that ever get's spewed out to the public as truth.

If you don't like paying for peoples stupid mistakes, e.g. having children they can't afford, having children with multiple wives they can't afford, getting in car wrecks with no insurance- why is the answer in your mind ALWAYS to legislate away their right to make a mistake, and not to legislate away your duty to pay for it????

I can't stand it. THAT is the problem. Not seat belt laws, not consenting ADULTS (this has nothing to do with kids) living the sexual existence that brings them to peace...the problem is you paying for that. Legislate that away.

But I suspect people that use this argument don't care about paying as much as they care about forcing people to live the life that they themselves see fit. The tax money is just a pathetic excuse that sound less nosy than "I hate what you do and my way is better".

The first three paragraphs are laced with intellectual dishonesty. You obviously well know that this Country and Society do not vote to pull the carpet out from under a group once "we" have decided that they are "special" or require help. You are obviously intelligent enough to be aware of this and know that it is an unrealistic expectation.

After constructing your three paragraph "straw man" you demolish it by saying you don't "think they care about paying as much as they care about forcing people to live....blah...blah"

Just so you can say that you think it's all about morals any way, was that it?
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The first three paragraphs are laced with intellectual dishonesty. You obviously well know that this Country and Society do not vote to pull the carpet out from under a group once "we" have decided that they are "special" or require help. You are obviously intelligent enough to be aware of this and know that it is an unrealistic expectation.

After constructing your three paragraph "straw man" you demolish it by saying you don't "think they care about paying as much as they care about forcing people to live....blah...blah"

Just so you can say that you think it's all about morals any way, was that it?

The first three paragraphs are as intellectually honest as can be. The absolute epitome. Saying that if you don't want to pay for someone...then fight to not have to pay for them, don't instead fight to illegalize activities that you MIGHT lead to you having to pay for them.

Those paragraphs broke down and trivialized the "I don't want to pay for it argument"

The last paragraph was for the majority who I think use that argument falsely. I think most who say that only say it because it seems more socially acceptable than voicing their true concerns.

There's no more to it than that.
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The first three paragraphs are as intellectually honest as can be. The absolute epitome. Saying that if you don't want to pay for someone...then fight to not have to pay for them, don't instead fight to illegalize activities that you MIGHT lead to you having to pay for them.

Those paragraphs broke down and trivialized the "I don't want to pay for it argument"

The last paragraph was for the majority who I think use that argument falsely. I think most who say that only say it because it seems more socially acceptable than voicing their true concerns.

There's no more to it than that.
Show me an honest example of the people/society/government turning someone "out on their own" once they have become, in some way, "protected" by society.


The "I don't want to pay for it" argument is very valid and I do believe a large percentage of the folks that put it forth believe it, and simply don't want more "Protected" groups on the "payroll" since there are no examples of us being able to get them off.

I think you have a prediliction to try and blame some type of "bigotry"
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Show me an honest example of the people/society/government turning someone "out on their own" once they have become, in some way, "protected" by society.


The "I don't want to pay for it" argument is very valid and I do believe a large percentage of the folks that put it forth believe it, and simply don't want more "Protected" groups on the "payroll" since there are no examples of us being able to get them off.

I think you have a prediliction to try and blame some type of "bigotry"
I'm not saying we HAVE turned them away yet. I'm saying it's what we should be fighting for.

It seems the same, at least in my eyes, as all of our arguments against gun control. I'm assuming you are in the GT majority on that subject since you're here.

We all say, "regulate the ones causing damage". "Prosecute the criminals, not he innocent citizens exercising their rights".

We all (or so we say) use guns responsibly and want the right to keep doing so to remain un-infringed. The crimes committed shouldn't affect US. We aren't doing wrong.

Same with polygamists. They aren't necessarily doing wrong. They just may affect you badly IF THEY DO. So why not worry about protecting yourself from the IF THEY DO part of it, and not the part that involved consenting adults that aren't infringing on your rights or your paycheck?

I'm sure we'll never see eye to eye on this. I've never seen a debate here end with someone changing their mind. But I enjoy it either way and bare you no ill feeling for your opinions. I'm a hypocrite on more than a few issues, but unwavering opinions isn't one of them.
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Maybe we should take a vote. "How many people would be ok with making polygamy legal as long as you don't have to pay for the children."
I absolutely think that way. But there are a lot of people who want it to be illegal "because it's just wrong."



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Show me an honest example of the people/society/government turning someone "out on their own" once they have become, in some way, "protected" by society.


The "I don't want to pay for it" argument is very valid and I do believe a large percentage of the folks that put it forth believe it, and simply don't want more "Protected" groups on the "payroll" since there are no examples of us being able to get them off.

I think you have a prediliction to try and blame some type of "bigotry"
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I like the quote, and I'm paraphrasing...

"The difference between a cult and a religion is: In a cult there is someone at the top of the chain who know's it's a scam. In a religion, that person is dead."
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If you view the individual as the center of all things, then no, society has no interest and no rightful say in who marries whom.

But the individual is not the center of all things; the individual is not sustainable. It is the family, not the person, that is the building block of society. It is the nuclear and extend family that forms society. That's been true since clans evolved into tribes and defined "their" territory as distinct from others. Society wasn't built around a hodge-lodge of individuals, but around families. And that's why every society of people in recorded history had a say in who marries whom.
Your post seems to imply that government laws outlawing the recognition of polygamist or gay marriages somehow prevent non-traditional nuclear families from existing.

Or do you really believe there are people who would prefer to be polygamist or have a same sex partner, but instead choose to have a traditional marriage so they can get a piece of paper making it official and a few tax breaks?
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So everyone is ok with the Scumbag that will not work to support his six wives that have ten kids and lives in Government housing ,on welfare and food stamps? You going to pay more in taxes just so they can live the life they want?
No. Now perhaps you could explain how polygamy laws prevent the situation you describe from happening?
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Why not mind your own damn business? What consenting adults do in their private lives is no business of yours. As long as they don't try to force you to live like they do, worry about yourself, instead of pushing your narrow views on others.
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