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Old 09-24-2012, 14:48   #1
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AK Red Dots

I'm trying to find a cost effective solution to mounting a red dot on my SGL-21. I've concluded that an Aimpoint T-1, althought the best option, is out of my price range. I am looking for a quality sight in the $100-$250 range. I have an Ultimak gas tube replacement rail to mount the sight on. Co-witness ability would be best, even if it's lower third. As always, your suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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Old 09-24-2012, 17:00   #2
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I have a Primary Arms mini red dot on mine. Love it. It's lasted for thousands of rounds and I don't baby it in the least. I recommend it.

Just shot a match with my AK. It got banged around pretty good but held zero with no problem.
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Old 09-24-2012, 17:25   #3
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The Kalashnikov Klub

I have the Bushnell on mine and also have the PA on another rifle. I actually shot the review for the Ulitmak/TRS set-up but haven't edited it yet.

Here's a preview---it's a good low cost alternative to the Aimpoint if you want a red dot on your AK
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Old 09-24-2012, 18:30   #4
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I actually shot the review for the Ulitmak/TRS set-up but haven't edited it yet.

Here's a preview---it's a good low cost alternative to the Aimpoint if you want a red dot on your AK
I agree with Plouffe: I run this setup and its been gtg so far...

Hey Plouffe, do tell about the light mount in the pic!?
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:22   #5
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Plouffe,

Did the gas tube replacement have any effect on accuracy?
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:34   #6
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I agree with Plouffe: I run this setup and its been gtg so far...

Hey Plouffe, do tell about the light mount in the pic!?
It's the KZ offset mount. I have it on a few guns, including 870s---it's solid. For the money, it's great.
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Old 09-25-2012, 17:43   #7
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It's the KZ offset mount. I have it on a few guns, including 870s---it's solid. For the money, it's great.
good deal- Ill check it out!
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Old 09-25-2012, 20:24   #8
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I have a burris fastfire ii on a side mount rail. Got about 600 rounds through it. Has held zero so far and works great. When i got it a few months ago it was $200 with the picatinny mount from optics planet.

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Old 09-26-2012, 10:28   #9
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+1 for the Bushnell TRS-25. I have one on a Scout mount on my SKS-M and it has held up to the heat well.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:43   #10
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Plouffe,

Did the gas tube replacement have any effect on accuracy?
No noticeable difference with the Ultimak but it was a good shooter to start with. Using the Red Dot helped me because I couldn't see the Iron's well due to poor vision.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:00   #11
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I have a Bushnell TRS-25 on route to me. Will be testing it Saturday. I have a Eotech on my other AK on a TWS Dog leg rail. The Bushnell will be on a side mount.
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Old 09-27-2012, 18:29   #12
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Maybe my eyes are just bad, but I have an easier time getting my irons on target than one of the red dots mentioned.
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Old 09-29-2012, 16:17   #13
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Tested the Bushnell TRS-25....
Really small. I didn't think it was so small. Which is good, on my side mount it doesn't add any noticeable weight. It's also low mount. I didn't have much of a problem getting a good cheek weld. Doesn't co witness.
Functions just like my AP. Setting 10 & 11 were ok in bright sunlight. Had it sighted in at 50 yards after 13 rounds out of the box.
Seems to be sturdy.
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Old 09-29-2012, 23:59   #14
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Just bought a TRS-25. I am looking forward to comparing it to the Aimpoint H-1 I have. See how much of a difference the ~$400 got me with the Aimpoint. I have a feeling it isn't going to be as much of a difference as I want, but we'll see. lol

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Old 09-30-2012, 06:23   #15
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Just bought a TRS-25. I am looking forward to comparing it to the Aimpoint H-1 I have. See how much of a difference the ~$400 got me with the Aimpoint. I have a feeling it isn't going to be as much of a difference as I want, but we'll see. lol
The difference is in the build quality and battery life. I have a T1 and TRS-25 and they are very different.



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The difference is in the build quality and battery life. I have a T1 and TRS-25 and they are very different.



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Agree but to me the only functional difference is battery life. The rest is preference. But, to me battery life is very important; being able to leave a red dot on for years and know it'll be ready when you may need it is a valuable trait.
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Old 10-13-2012, 17:36   #17
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I have had great success with the Primary Arms Micro dot. Held up very well on my VZ. I have suggested it to several friends who aren't ready to drop $500 on a red dot.

In fact, I am ready to bite the bullet and buy an Aimpoint so if anyone wants to buy my PA dot message me. I will cut you a deal!
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Old 10-13-2012, 17:38   #18
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I have the Bushnell on mine and also have the PA on another rifle. I actually shot the review for the Ulitmak/TRS set-up but haven't edited it yet.

Here's a preview---it's a good low cost alternative to the Aimpoint if you want a red dot on your AK
I've been away for a while so I must ask... How are folks mounting lights on their AKs these days? Is this that dragonfly mount?

I'm about to put some cash into my 74. Thanks.
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I've been away for a while so I must ask... How are folks mounting lights on their AKs these days? Is this that dragonfly mount?

I'm about to put some cash into my 74. Thanks.
The Thorntail is pretty popular for Ultimak set ups. I run one and it works very well.
Not sure which mount plouffe is using there.
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The Thorntail is pretty popular for Ultimak set ups. I run one and it works very well.
Not sure which mount plouffe is using there.
As do I. I'm very happy with my Thorntail.
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I've been away for a while so I must ask... How are folks mounting lights on their AKs these days? Is this that dragonfly mount?

I'm about to put some cash into my 74. Thanks.
It's a KZ offset mount. $18 and it's solid; a lot cheaper than the thorntail...
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It's a KZ offset mount. $18 and it's solid; a lot cheaper than the thorntail...
That does look like a nice mount, I may have to pick one up for my other AK. The Thorntail can do more as far positioning goes, but it does cost a lot more.
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That does look like a nice mount, I may have to pick one up for my other AK. The Thorntail can do more as far positioning goes, but it does cost a lot more.
100% agreed. Pros and cons; just depends what you want out of it.
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Old 10-14-2012, 14:25   #24
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If you are thinking about going with the Thorntail and you run an Ultimak, I would recommend the SBR version as you don't need the extra Thorntail arm length with a shorter handguard. Thorntail review here - http://fleetingsurvival.com/2012/07/...rntail-review/

As far as the red dot goes, the Aimpoint micro’s battery life is ridiculous and you can just leave it on all the time. The TRS-25 is an excellent red dot but if I leave it on all the time I get about 6 months of battery life out of it – I like to be able to pick up a rifle and have the dot on. The Primary Arms is also excellent and has the added benefit of having the same mounting configuration as the Aimpoint micro. This give you the ability to mount it to any of the accessories built for the micro. Battery life in my experience before I sold the Primary Arms was a little better than the TRS-25 but still nothing in comparison to the Aimpoint.

IMHO, If it’s a SHTF rifle, I would try my best to find a used Aimpoint H-1 or T-1 or look around for deals. People are selling their H-1 / T-1 4 MOA micros for cheap looking to upgrade to the 2 MOA. Aimpoint customer service is excellent and the micro is extremely robust. That being said my TRS-25 now lives on a Beretta 12 gauge and has never had an issue with the heat of an AK or the recoil of the 12 gauge. The battery life is really the killer.
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Primary Arms. It's got a 1000 hour run time which is around 40ish days constant on. I have one on my AR right now and the only time it gets shut off is when I put it in the gun cabinet.
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