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Old 07-07-2012, 12:01   #126
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senamac, you have little to worry about IMO. The division has alreadybeen made between those who know reality when they see it and those who refuse to admit it and cling to wild-eyed theories. The latter group are basically running around trying to reassure each other by being annoying on legitimate forums when they get a little bored within their own circle-jerk.

Many people have enough experience to understand the confusion that takes place around the events as they unfold. I have had 2 friends involved in "incidents" that garnered national publicity, one survived, one did not. There were conflicting reports and confusion on the ground, and I was involved on the ground in one incident (not knowing that my friend was aboard) which ironically involved a passenger jet.

Too many people have never really had to do "the job" at an accident scene. They watch CSI

"Look, there is a fingernail clipping, bag it. We'll put it in the mass speculum electorstatic colon irrigator, and identify who it belonged to. By the end of the show we will know their name, collar size, credit rating and average seminal output of the suspect."

The people who expect the real world to work that way have never been up to their elbows in things never to be described. A friend of mine calls them "Cackling "shine"birds" . (Of course I edited in "shine" for something else.)

There are those who don't want to face the reality, that a small group of nutjobs could pull this off. My experience, that I outlined, tells me it is exactly what happened. Unfortunately for those folks having a hard time accepting that, there are those of petty lives that inflate themselves with claims that THEY in their great wisdom have DIVINED the truth, IT IS ALL A CONSPIRACY they announce, as the confused, and shocked gather around them and their soap box.

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Old 08-08-2012, 07:18   #128
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IN ORDER FOR THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS TO BE CORRECT;

The thousands of experienced and dedicated investigators from the FBI, ATF, USSS, NYPD, FDNY, CIA and quite a few other agencies are all;

SUPREMELY INCOMPETENT

OR

CO-CONSPIRATORS

Think about that please. While you consider it remember that MANY of those investigators lost family, friends, loved ones and co-workers in the attack.
Go with the physical evidence and the experience of those conducting the investigation.
^ this, this, THIS

Supporting the conspiracy theory is just re-victimizing the victims, and their loved ones. And on top of that, it's insinuating that mothers/fathers/brothers/sisters/sons/daughters etc. all knowingly and willingly kept quite and allowed their mothers/fathers/brothers/sisters/sons/daughters etc. to die, and then kept quiet about the "truth" on behalf of the government.

I don't like our government. I don't support our government, and I do not approve of what it's become. I also know that our government is capable of committing atrocious acts.

BUT I do have enough faith in this (MY) country's citizens to KNOW that they would not willingly sacrifice their own personal loved ones, their own flesh and blood, by the thousands, for a government conspiracy.

It is also interesting, PW, that you haven't even so much as acknowledged Sean's existence in this thread...

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Old 08-25-2012, 18:45   #129
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If nothing else the conspiracy nuts make for some entertaining reading. Shows just how out of touch with reality some of the people in this counrty are, kind of scary.
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Old 08-26-2012, 09:39   #130
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Conspiracy theorists are just people who desperately want attention and to find a meaning and point to their existance. Taking normal things and turning and then agrandizing them makes them feel important.
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:03   #131
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Conspiracy theorists are just people who desperately want attention and to find a meaning and point to their existance. Taking normal things and turning and then agrandizing them makes them feel important.

I have often wondered, "If the conspiracy was so vast as required, wouldn't they be terrified to mention that they figured it out?"
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I have often wondered, "If the conspiracy was so vast as required, wouldn't they be terrified to mention that they figured it out?"
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It is easy to prove that the planes that crashed are indeed the ones from the two airlines.
There are only so many 757s and 767s produced, Boeing knows where every single one of them is. (Boeing a co conspirator?)
Airliners have a very large number of serialized parts and detailed records are kept. Not only do they know from the part numbers which plane they came from, they also know every plane they have been installed and removed from.
Engine manufacturers, component manufacturers, all keep records. Unless of course everybody is part of the conspiracy.
The only question I might have is whether any intelligence services knew or suspected anything. Fox News had an article in the days following 911 claiming that there were some people that might have known.
I saw on the news a long time ago a one story shopping center (clothes, shoes etc) that caught fire. After the fire was put out you could see the I beams from the roof sagging, looking like bananas and that was from clothes and everyday items that burned, not high BTU jet fuel. If that building was multistory it would have collapsed under its own weight.
The second building that got hit was the first to collapse. IMO it went down first because it was hit lower and there was more weight above the impact area. The second building to collapse would have probably lasted a bit longer if it wasn't for the ground vibrations from the first collapse.
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It is interesting that one thing no one has mentioned yet that where that whatever it was that hit the pentagon hit was the computer room. The back up site for pentagon data was in wtc7. One day before 9/11 happened, Rumsfeld held a press conference and announced that there was a couple trillion dollars missing from the pentagon budget over the past so many years that they couldn't account for. And magically, all evidence of where it might have went disappeared at both the pentagon and wtc7. That is some coincidence! Especially considering that bldg 7 was. Barely touched and was on fire inside before the second plane ever hit.
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It is interesting that one thing no one has mentioned yet that where that whatever it was that hit the pentagon hit was the computer room. The back up site for pentagon data was in wtc7. One day before 9/11 happened, Rumsfeld held a press conference and announced that there was a couple trillion dollars missing from the pentagon budget over the past so many years that they couldn't account for. And magically, all evidence of where it might have went disappeared at both the pentagon and wtc7. That is some coincidence! Especially considering that bldg 7 was. Barely touched and was on fire inside before the second plane ever hit.
Lol. Well, at least I never heard this one yet.
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Please post a link to the Rumsfeld press conference. Since the Republicans were in charge CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, the New York Times would have been all over that story in the early morning news before the planes started impacting. I then worked for the DoD and don't remember reading about that briefing on my office PC first thing that morning.

Since my computer continued to work that day the WTC back up center story seems far fetched. There may have been lines to the government offices in the WTC but nothing more significant in a public non secure building. (I know there is no security against a 747.)

PT Barnum of "There's a sucker born every minute" fame would have loved the internet.
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I'll put it this way.

Conspiracy nuts put too much stock in what they see instead of what they don't see.

I have a friend who has been an airline pilot for twenty years. I asked him what they biggest sign of an aircraft emergency was. He said most passengers never realize when an aircraft is really in trouble (and when you hit turbulence is almost never that time).

He says the best sign is when you are getting out of the plane and the pilots door is still shut. He said that is because they are trying to pull the seat covers out of their asses where they got sucked up because they were so scared.

It's what you don't see that matters.
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Please post a link to the Rumsfeld press conference. Since the Republicans were in charge CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, the New York Times would have been all over that story in the early morning news before the planes started impacting. I then worked for the DoD and don't remember reading about that briefing on my office PC first thing that morning.

Since my computer continued to work that day the WTC back up center story seems far fetched. There may have been lines to the government offices in the WTC but nothing more significant in a public non secure building. (I know there is no security against a 747.)

PT Barnum of "There's a sucker born every minute" fame would have loved the internet.

yep....

lots of suckers out there.
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Trying to tie "routine" issues with big budget government organizations to the events of 9/11 is a stretch.

If you will do some research of your own, this was also discussed before 9/10/01 and over the course of at least of half dozen presidents' administrations.

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Trying to tie "routine" issues with big budget government organizations to the events of 9/11 is a stretch.

If you will do some research of your own, this was also discussed before 9/10/01 and over the course of at least of half dozen presidents' administrations.

Those who do not learn the lessons of history are condemned.......to be behind the power curve.
Richard...

you and I are both entitled to believe what we want to. But to me, there is just way too much that doesnt add up to believe the official version.

Did you know that ALL of the video camera's (85 cameras on the pentagon) tapes were confiscated by the FBI within hours of the event, and it took 5years of lawsuits to get the 5 second video that they hold up as evidence of a "plane" striking the pentagon.

Norman Mineta, the transportation seceratary under bush was in the bunker with Dick Cheney and hear cheney continue the order that fighter jets "stand down" when the "plane" was 10 miles out. And yet, mineta was not asked to testify for the nine eleven commission, and the video of his appearance before congress has since been stricken from the record.

Numerous pilots have tried on training simulators to replicate the feat of flying an airliner at 575 mph (which was 110 knots over the planes max operating speed) into a building that low and no one has been able to replicate it?

There were no engines, no fuselage, no bodies, no luggage, seats, tail section, nothing that would indicate a boeing airliner had hit the pentagon. It vaporized? What? Time jump? Was the flux capacitor ever found?

The same thing in the field in pennsylvania. No airplane parts, blood, bodies or body parts, nothing. Same story? they all vaporized?

Really? And those who doubt the official version of events are kooks and fools? Right....
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Numerous pilots have tried on training simulators to replicate the feat of flying an airliner at 575 mph (which was 110 knots over the planes max operating speed) into a building that low and no one has been able to replicate it?
Not true.

There were no engines, no fuselage, no bodies, no luggage, seats, tail section, nothing that would indicate a boeing airliner had hit the pentagon. It vaporized? What? Time jump? Was the flux capacitor ever found?
Absolutely Not true.

The same thing in the field in pennsylvania. No airplane parts, blood, bodies or body parts, nothing. Same story? they all vaporized?
Utterly, completely and demonstratably not true.

Really? And those who doubt the official version of events are kooks and fools? Right....
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The same thing in the field in pennsylvania. No airplane parts, blood, bodies or body parts, nothing. Same story? they all vaporized?

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That is a flat-out lie

Remains have been identified for every person on that flight, some through DNA. Four sets of remains are still unidentified which corresponds to the number of hijackers and the lack of DNA exemplars (obviously) for them.
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FACT: The World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks were the most diligently investigated crime scenes in modern history. Literally thousands of the best investigators in the world were involved. Tons of physical evidence was recovered, vouchered and tested. Everyone involved was highly motivated to see it through to a proper and just conclusion. No shortcuts were taken, no overtime caps were imposed, and no one was directing what the final conclusions were to be. The results of the WTC investigation, both criminal and structural are extremely well documented and based solely upon the evidence that was present at the scenes.


IN ORDER FOR THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS TO BE CORRECT;

The thousands of experienced and dedicated investigators from the FBI, ATF, USSS, NYPD, FDNY, CIA and quite a few other agencies are all;

SUPREMELY INCOMPETENT

OR

CO-CONSPIRATORS

Think about that please. While you consider it remember that MANY of those investigators lost family, friends, loved ones and co-workers in the attack.
Go with the physical evidence and the experience of those conducting the investigation.
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That is a flat-out lie

Remains have been identified for every person on that flight, some through DNA. Four sets of remains are still unidentified which corresponds to the number of hijackers and the lack of DNA exemplars (obviously) for them.
In a 2005 interview the County Coroner, Wallace miller stated that they had only recovered an approximate 8% of the remains had ever been found, some of them miles from the "crash site."

What is really interesting to me is that debris was spread over 10 miles, and the debris file goes from east to west, not west to east Headed for the Capitol as the official story claims.

State police major Szupinka said one of the engines was found complete six or seven hundred yards away, to the west of the"crash site". How did one engine survive intact when the other apparently disintegrated into mostly tiny pieces, or bury itself into the loose top soil?

How does a 130 ton 155 foot long airplane with a wingspan of a hundred and twenty feet, a tail that Stands 43 feet high make a hole that is 6 feet deep, and 15 feet wide with "wing scars" in the ground extending out only 70 feet in width?

All of the first eyewitnesses at eh crash sigh said there was "nothing there" but what appeared to be smoldering trash.

How is it in one instance, the towers, there was so much fuel that it Allegedly melted steel, but almost immediately after impact, there was no fire at the 93 crash sight. A large plume of brownish looking smoke, not the huge billowing clouds of black smoke that accompanies jet fuel burning in open air?
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Wally Miller was involved in the investigation and identification of the remains. In examining the wreckage, the only human body part he could see was
part of a backbone

Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds (272 kg), or eight percent of the total. The rest of the remains were consumed by the impact

Investigators identified four victims by September 22 and eleven by September 24. They identified another by September 29.Thirty-four passengers were identified by October 27

All the people on board the flight were identified by December 21.

Human remains were so fragmented that investigators could not determine whether any victims were dead before the plane crashed. Death certificates for the 40 victims listed the cause of death as homicide and listed the cause of death for the four hijackers as suicide

The remains and personal effects of the victims were returned to the families The remains of the hijackers, identified by the process of elimination, were turned over to the FBI as evidence.

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you and I are both entitled to believe what we want to. But to me, there is just way too much that doesnt add up to believe the official version. ...
MA,

Some folks have to be "dumb on purpose." I applaud your efforts, but just as their are some very stubborn conspiracy kooks, nuts, and flakes in the world, their are also some very stubborn ANTI-conspiracy kooks, nuts, and flakes as well. Seem the numbers are equal on both sides.

The dogged act of their mental will to keep insisting that all is well, all is well, and doing so in the face of incontrovertible evidence has a thread of cognitive dissonance directly woven throughout their psyche.


I'm gonna review the video you posted. Thanks.
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So you're an anti-conspiracy nut!!!
But:

It's not because you believe that oswald was the only shooter.

It's not because you believe that there is no such organization as Bildeberger's.

It's not because you believe that there is no such organization as the CFR.

It's not because you believe that only 19 terrorists brought down 1, 2, & 7 WTC skyscrapers on 09-11-2001.

It's not because you believe that climate change is real and the world is heating up at an alarming rate.
Oh no, in fact, one reason you're an anti-conspiracy nut is because you are too wise, or too smart, or too intelligent or just plain too much yourself to ever get past your own cognitive dissonance on certain matters.

Another reason you're an anti-conspiracy nut is because your own, personal opinion of someone tends to lead you to disbelieve anything they might support or put forth on a controversial issue. ETA: Your opinion of another may be due to adopting the opinion of the herd before you got to know that person for yourself.

However, the primary, number one reason you're an anti-conspiracy nut is because you cannot handle the ridicule of yourself or your opinions on what are known as controversial matters. Your perception of "their normal" is invaluable to you as far as the way others see or think of you.

Even if the crowd is wrong, or they have a weak foundation for their beliefs, and even if you know this deep down, you still can't handle not being an accepted member of those you admire, respect, or desire to be part of their group. You have to be part of what you perceive to be the "in crowd." You cannot live outside of the approval of those around you and being accepted as part of their herd. So, instead of rationally and logically thinking things out for yourself, you default to the herd mentality and eschew anything the herd doesn't approve of readily.

This is what makes you an anti-conspiracy nut and kook. You're wrong, but you have what you need the most, which is the approval of the crowd.
Man, I wish I was as smart as you, to see the TRUTH! All of us that don't fall for those conspiracy theories are just soooo blind though.



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Guys!!!! The titanic is a conspiracy too.


I mean steel > ice. And the titanic still sunk!

Still not convinced?!!?!?! The vikings used wooden ships, and they never sunk!

Also, ice melts faster than steel. I set this experiment up in my house. I used a bowl of metal and a bowl of ice at room temperature. The ice completely melted, while the bowl of steel barely melted at all!


So the real question is, who sunk the ships? Atheists? Terrorists? Gays? I don't know, but I'm convinced that someone did it, until proven otherwise!

If you want to see the experiment just go on youtube and search for "unfastened coins"
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Man, I wish I was as smart as you, to see the TRUTH! ...
Wrong IP, totally apologize.

mea culpa. I not real good as this computering stuff. [/jethro]
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