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Old 10-06-2012, 05:00   #26
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The same group of ppl will be calculating it when Romney is president. Will you still be calling it a conspiracy then?

I don't understand why a lack of understanding motivates ppl to come up with conspiracy theories.


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I don't understand why the standard liberal response here is that the rest of us, are just not smart enough to see things the way the liberal do.

Historically, governments lie to promote their own interests. They even have a word for it (since you're so smart tell us what it is for an extra point).

But, Obama, by what we have seen of his actions so far, is clearly incapable of telling a lie, or being part of one told.
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:13   #27
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With only 114,000 jobs added, thats not even enough to move the meter 1/10th of a percent, much less 3/10ths.

Top it off with them saying not many left the workforce and it does not add up.

Continuing weekly claims for UI continue to hang just below 400,000. They need to be below 200,000 for a sustained period with increasing labor force participation.

Economic growth continues to hang at a pathetic 1.x %. It needs to be over 4%. Under Reagan, who wipe out a recession twice as bad with 21% interest rates in only 2 years, growth was at or approaching 6% !!!

U6 is at 14.7%, they've been undercounting by at least 1% and possibly as much as 3 % for a couple of years now. Would not be surprised if the real U6 is 16-18%.
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:22   #28
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`Debate gone sour for obammy and the Left? No problem....Finagle the numbers for the unemployment report to keep `em under 8....`then brag` on the lies and hope no one looks to closely and keep the stupid.... stupid.
That's what I'm thinking. From the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
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For the first 8 months of the year, the rate held within a narrow range of 8.1 and 8.3 percent.
And right before election time, with the press saying "over 8% is really bad for Obama," suddenly:
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Really stayed within a 0.3 point range for 8 months, then falls .3 below the bottom of that range just in time for the election? Could happen.
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:27   #29
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I don't understand why the standard liberal response here is that the rest of us, are just not smart enough to see things the way the liberal do.
Explaining that the BLS, not some evil plotting table of democrats, are the people who calculate the unemployment, is now considered a "liberal response?" Seriously?


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Historically, governments lie to promote their own interests.

But, Obama, by what we have seen of his actions so far, is clearly incapable of telling a lie, or being part of one told.
The BLS have no vested interest in lying - they're going to be calculating the rate when Romney is President, as they have been in the past, and as they will continue to do in the future.

Your cartoonish idea of Obama overseeing a table of democrats who craft the unemployment numbers out of thin air is not only laughable, it's just counterproductive because surely some dope on the left will be saying the same thing when the rates drop under Romney - only this time it will be a republican conspiracy. Amazingly enough, I'm sure you'll be calling that dope a foolish liberal, despite the fact that you were doing the same thing a few short months before.
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Explaining that the BLS, not some evil plotting table of democrats, are the people who calculate the unemployment, is now considered a "liberal response?" Seriously?




The BLS have no vested interest in lying - they're going to be calculating the rate when Romney is President, as they have been in the past, and as they will continue to do in the future.

Your cartoonish idea of Obama overseeing a table of democrats who craft the unemployment numbers out of thin air is not only laughable, it's just counterproductive because surely some dope on the left will be saying the same thing when the rates drop under Romney - only this time it will be a republican conspiracy. Amazingly enough, I'm sure you'll be calling that dope a foolish liberal, despite the fact that you were doing the same thing a few short months before.
You don't know the word, do you?
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You don't know the word, do you?
Seeing that you completely ignored everything I said, I don't think you're really interested in having an adult conversation. If you want to divert and change the subject, don't bother responding to me.
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The BLS have no vested interest in lying - they're going to be calculating the rate when Romney is President, as they have been in the past, and as they will continue to do in the future.
This sets a new record in naiveté.

The DOL is another bloated government agency who's employees depend on government for their jobs. I don't doubt for one second they'll amp it up for the Government candidate.

Obama didn't have to tell them a damn thing. They know what's required of them if they want to keep their jobs. Make idiot boy look good.
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Seeing that you completely ignored everything I said, I don't think you're really interested in having an adult conversation. If you want to divert and change the subject, don't bother responding to me.
Okay, you don't know it, or you just don't want to say it?

It's okay.
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Seeing that you completely ignored everything I said,
Sounds like a good idea.
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The same group of ppl will be calculating it when Romney is president. Will you still be calling it a conspiracy then?

I don't understand why a lack of understanding motivates ppl to come up with conspiracy theories.


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If Romney's people come up with a .3 or .4 drop with only a 1K increase in jobs; YES I will be calling them on it. This is political lying and I don't understand you think I would be as foolishly biased for "my party" as you are for yours.

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This sets a new record in naiveté.

The DOL is another bloated government agency who's employees depend on government for their jobs. I don't doubt for one second they'll amp it up for the Government candidate.

Obama didn't have to tell them a damn thing. They know what's required of them if they want to keep their jobs. Make idiot boy look good.
So the unemployment rate has been a conspiracy for decades?


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If Romney's people come up with a .3 or .4 drop with only a 1K increase in jobs; YES I will be calling them on it. This is political lying and I don't understand you think I would be as foolishly biased for "my party" as you are for yours.

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And were you questioning the numbers when they went up, and not down? My guess is that you were using them to point to a bad economy when they were bad, and claiming conspiracy when they improved.

I like the added touch of claiming that I'm a liberal. When you can't argue on facts, demonize your opponent, right?


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YES, when the actual rate has been above 11 for two or three years..... yes.

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YES, when the actual rate has been above 11 for two or three years..... yes.

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One question Ivan, are you voting for Obama?
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:44   #41
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The analysts were talking about the report before it came out, predicting the same job numbers, but predicting an INCREASE to 8.2%. Instead it falls 0.3%? Even MSNBC's Morning Joe said the numbers don't add up.

If I had to guess? I'd say Obama added in everyone's temporary campaign workers.

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Old 10-06-2012, 06:50   #42
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Who could have saw this coming.

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Old 10-06-2012, 06:55   #43
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One question Ivan, are you voting for Obama?
Hell f'in no. Have you been reading my posts?

Is this the alternative universe that we live in now, where understanding basic concepts has been politicized?

When you deem everything to be a conspiracy, then there's no reality. What's the point in ever citing unemployment numbers when you have concluded that it's all a massive conspiracy? You've basically lost the ability to show how bad unemployment has been, and still is (7.8 is NOT good) under Obama because you have now deemed the numbers to be completely fabricated.

Of course, I don't believe that to be happening here. What I see happening here is a denial of the numbers when they improve, and treating them like gospel when they get worse.

In order for this type of mentality to have a breeding ground, you basically have to have a limited capacity to understand the economy to the point that you think any given president's philosophy and the unemployment rate are inherently dependent upon one another. That is a false assumption, as there are thousands of working pieces in the economy, and simplifying it in such a way that has no real goal other than dumbing down a complex issue is a disservice to the idea that unemployment numbers can, in many circumstances, actually reflect the policies of any given administration.

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Believe anything that comes from this corrupt obama crime syndicate? You got to be kidding. I'm just surprised obama didn't ORDER the numbers to be much lower.
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Hell f'in no. Have you been reading my posts?
I was trying to figure out how someone with an IQ above room temp. could rationalize how the addition of 114,000 jobs could drop the rate .3 %.

I did graduate from UGA where math was secondary, but c'mon my grandchildren could figure this out.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:19   #46
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http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

That's a link to monthly unemployment figures since 2002. Let's focus on Obama's numbers. We all know that Obama promised unemployment would not go over 8% if the stimulus was passed, so apparently it's been a conspiracy designed to hurt the President nearly his entire administration. However, let's take a closer look at the chart:

Unemployment got worse from January through October of 2009. So at this point, it was a conspiracy to hurt Obama.

In Nov 2009, it improved by .1, going from 10% to 9.9% and falling as low as 9.7 in January of 2010, a conspiracy to help Obama.

But in february of 2010, it went back up to 9.8%, a conspiracy to hurt Obama.

But wait, it went up again to 9.9% in april of 2010, another conspiracy to hurt Obama.

However, in May of 2010, it dropped to 9.6%, a conspiracy to help Obama.

But it August, it went up again, a conspiracy to hurt Obama.

Then it went back down to 9.5, a conspiracy to help Obama.

But it went back up again from 9.5 to 9.8 in November of 2010, a conspiracy to hurt Obama.

And so on and so forth.

Either we have a panel of wishy-washy, schizophrenic people controlling the unemployment rate, or conspiracy theorists are just stupid. I wonder which it is?

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Since the Clinton administration, yes.
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Lou Dobbs was laughing at this earlier on Fox. Still an iconic executive, Welch is getting old.


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Welch was held in extremely high esteem by those who knew him at G.E. -- unlike the current occupant of that post, Jeffrey Immelt.


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The UE rate is still mostly a BS stat since it doesn't account for those who have given up on looking for a job.
In today's newspaper it says

"Those who do not have jobs and are looking are counted as unemployed. Those who aren't looking are not considered part of the work force and aren't counted as unemployed."

The first makes sense.
The second part, I dunno.
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The day after the election the "revised" numbers will be released and the reate will be "unexpectedly" 8.3%

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