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Old 10-07-2012, 17:46   #26
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I have hunted all my life and have never seen a reason to carry a handgun in the woods or back country. Sure sign of someone who is uncomfortable there or just trying to play make believe.

And. When I carry in a car, the gun is unloaded and packed in a case.
Sadly, this is an amazingly naive post. It must be nice to live in a world of unicorns and rainbows.

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Old 10-07-2012, 17:55   #27
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And. When I carry in a car, the gun is unloaded and packed in a case.
Then you're not carrying...you're transporting.

When I carry in a car, I just get in the driver's seat with it in my holster. Or, alternatively...I can take it out, sit it on the dash in broad daylight, and drive around with it like that. That's carrying.
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Old 10-07-2012, 17:59   #28
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In Ohio, even if a magazine is loaded and not in the gun, it is considered a loaded gun. Sorry for his troubles, but it's election year and his judge may want to set an example. They've done it before. Where in Ohio was he?
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:02   #29
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:03   #30
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In Ohio, even if a magazine is loaded and not in the gun, it is considered a loaded gun. Sorry for his troubles, but it's election year and his judge may want to set an example. They've done it before. Where in Ohio was he?
Ohio laws are getting better but we do have crazy stuff still on the books.

Even if the gun and loaded magazine were locked up in separate parts of the car in a safe the driver didn't have a key to, it is still considered carrying a loaded weapon and thus illegal. UNLESS the guy has a Concealed carry permit. If he has one for NC, he'd best get a copy of it prior to seeing the judge.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:08   #31
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I hope he is shown some leniency based on his age and lack of criminal history, but one thing that is guaranteed is that this will be an expensive lesson.
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Ohio laws are getting better but we do have crazy stuff still on the books.

Even if the gun and loaded magazine were locked up in separate parts of the car in a safe the driver didn't have a key to, it is still considered carrying a loaded weapon and thus illegal. UNLESS the guy has a Concealed carry permit. If he has one for NC, he'd best get a copy of it prior to seeing the judge.
yep I have my CHL and covered. Hope he does and can get it to Ohio by Tuesday. Monday is Columbus Day, not sure if the courts are open Monday.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:32   #33
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Ohio laws are getting better but we do have crazy stuff still on the books.

Even if the gun and loaded magazine were locked up in separate parts of the car in a safe the driver didn't have a key to, it is still considered carrying a loaded weapon and thus illegal. UNLESS the guy has a Concealed carry permit. If he has one for NC, he'd best get a copy of it prior to seeing the judge.
Left Ohio in 1979 and gun laws was one of the reasons. I could go on about what I saw as hypocritical about law enforcement but don't want to spend the time typing. (I'm very slow and it would take hours).

Went to a family reunion this summer and one of my cousins, a retired deputy, made a snide comment why he never came to visit me in Wyoming. Too many of us carry guns and he wouldn't be comfortable.

BTW, I was carrying concealed and he didn't even know.

Too bad your friend didn't come to Wyoming to hunt. A loaded handgun in a vehicle was never illegal since I have been here. Now Wyoming is a no permit state like VT, AK and AZ.

I do and will maintain my Wyoming and Utah permit. Comes in handy when I travel.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:36   #34
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Nonsense. Unless you beleive in fairy tales or that nothing ever happens in the woods and you don't have to worry about bears, or feral dogs, or stumbling over someones meth lab, then yeah, the woods are perfectly safe.
Because my .300 Winchester Magnum rifle fires too weak of a cartridge and I'd need a 10mm to protect myself against creatures of all kinds?
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:40   #35
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And. When I carry in a car, the gun is unloaded and packed in a case.
And what does it matter if its loaded and on you?

One thing ive never understood is laws that disarm drivers.

If someone wants to kill someone illegally, or kill a cop, the law isnt going to stop those people from killing.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:41   #36
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It's a shame it happened. It's been said before, if you are going somewhere it is your own responsibility to find out the laws of the land first.
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:09   #38
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Personally I do not have my Florida CCW yet. I have an appointment for the 15th to apply for it and expect it to take 4-8 weeks before I have it. Until then I travel to ranges with gun unloaded and in the trunk in Florida and Alabama where my range is. I have looked up the reciprocity page on the web page for FL CCW and have a list of the 16 states that do not honor Florida's CCW. With the gun laws being what they are I think it foolish to carry and not be aware of the laws. I feel for your friend and don't feel he had felonious intent. But many law enforcement people will not give one a second chance on that offense.
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:10   #39
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Because my .300 Winchester Magnum rifle fires too weak of a cartridge and I'd need a 10mm to protect myself against creatures of all kinds?
In South Texas, at least, the pistol is handy because most encounters with illegals and the cartel "coyotes" that run them take place with very little notice and at very close distances, where a full-sized, bolt-action rifle is of little use. The illegals and "coyotes" normally hide in brush or take cover when they fear someone might be around, and when you encounter them it's normally by surprise and at close distance.

A handgun is very much a plus in situations like that.
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Woops! I bet he won't do that again. He should have researched the laws better and ever better yet, had a license to carry.

The firearms laws as a whole do suck though. I hope they go easy on him since it's his first offense (I think...)
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:12   #41
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Old 10-07-2012, 21:16   #42
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When you are hunting, you are already carrying a weapon.

You go in before sunrise and unless you are an idiot you have been in and out of the area 30 times before scouting and setting up.

Been hunting much?

I've hunted all over the country thanks to moving all over. Every place I have ever hunted and the men and boys I have hunted with would be laughing behind your back if you packed a pistol to head into the woods. (i admit to not hunting Alaska yet) maybe that is just me and my almost 50 years hunting. But that is the way I see it.

Carry a pistol while scouting before season in some parts of the country I can understand. Carrying a long gun pre-season may get you written up. But during season? Never.
Yeah i hunt with a Bow and the bow is not a good weapon to have to defend yourself with. And i been bowhunting for 15 years, Every serious hunter i know carries a handgun with them when hunting! Your living in a dream world if you think the woods are entirely safe place to be, I've been hunting in the UP in Michigan and been 12 miles in away from anything resembling civilization.
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Old 10-07-2012, 21:19   #43
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Because my .300 Winchester Magnum rifle fires too weak of a cartridge and I'd need a 10mm to protect myself against creatures of all kinds?
Last time i checked you can't use a 300 WM in any of the places i hunt except northern michigan for deer hunting!
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Left Ohio in 1979 and gun laws was one of the reasons. I could go on about what I saw as hypocritical about law enforcement but don't want to spend the time typing. (I'm very slow and it would take hours).

Went to a family reunion this summer and one of my cousins, a retired deputy, made a snide comment why he never came to visit me in Wyoming. Too many of us carry guns and he wouldn't be comfortable.

BTW, I was carrying concealed and he didn't even know.

Too bad your friend didn't come to Wyoming to hunt. A loaded handgun in a vehicle was never illegal since I have been here. Now Wyoming is a no permit state like VT, AK and AZ.

I do and will maintain my Wyoming and Utah permit. Comes in handy when I travel.
Ohio has better gun laws than 90% of the nation!
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It's kind of silly to go to an entirely different state while carrying a gun without researching the laws.
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I have hunted all my life and have never seen a reason to carry a handgun in the woods or back country. Sure sign of someone who is uncomfortable there or just trying to play make believe.

And. When I carry in a car, the gun is unloaded and packed in a case.
Don't know where you hunt or fish or hike, but I have encountered so many strange characters in the wilds and swamps while fishing, and I've seen the pictures and texts and trash they leave behind, to carry EVERYwhere in the woods...

Three instances this year alone to warrant carry ...of a defensive weapon.

Indiana has state park carry now. Good.

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I have hunted all my life and have never seen a reason to carry a handgun in the woods or back country. Sure sign of someone who is uncomfortable there or just trying to play make believe.
I have hunted all my life and have NEVER gone without a handgun. I don't believe in playing make believe where the world is a happy place. Those who do it's a sure sign they're detached from reality.

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And. When I carry in a car, the gun is unloaded and packed in a case.
Now boy I tell ya, that makes about as much sense as carrying a bow with an empty quiver into the woods
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I have hunted all my life and have never seen a reason to carry a handgun in the woods or back country. Sure sign of someone who is uncomfortable there or just trying to play make believe.

And. When I carry in a car, the gun is unloaded and packed in a case.
I'm guessing your hunting experience is limited to the token fed range at Cabelas. The vast majority of my hunting is done with handguns, glad I don't heed your advice. Seriously, have you ever actually stepped foot in the woods?
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Ohio has better gun laws than 90% of the nation!
Felony for having a gun in the car? Sure as hell doesnt sound like it.
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