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Old 10-02-2012, 11:20   #21
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Or the media could be wrong about it actually being cocked, and it could be almost anything, even a Glock or Kel-Tec.



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The media wrong?

That's impossible.
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:29   #22
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Which is why we call it negligent discharge; it's not accidental at all, imho.
When you really think about it, there are few if any "accidental discharges" (AD). Perhaps aiming at a target and you squeeze the trigger too soon could be an AD. Or if the gun is faulty or it's one of those $125.00 new auto loaders and it's cocked, it could go off by its self and where it's pointed makes all the difference in the end result. But virtually every time a gun fires when it wasn't intended to, it's a negligent discharge. These of course include the "I didn't know it was loaded" ND, the "the gun slipped out of my hand" ND, the "I thought the person knew (or they said) they knew all about guns" ND and the list goes on-and-on.
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Old 10-02-2012, 16:55   #23
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Doubt it. My wife's Sig P238 380 ACP has a safety if you carry cocked and locked. You'd have to be very careless to AD that weapon.
And if the safety comes off in your pocket? A key or such gets inside the trigger guard (and yes a Glock will AD that way to, even a DA revolver if the key is pressed hard enough.)

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Old 10-02-2012, 17:19   #24
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Old 10-02-2012, 17:41   #25
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Does anyone know what model of gun was abused?
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:56   #26
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And if the safety comes off in your pocket? A key or such gets inside the trigger guard (and yes a Glock will AD that way to, even a DA revolver if the key is pressed hard enough.)

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If you are going to pocket carry, the only thing that goes in the pocket is the gun. Keys and everything else go in the other pocket. Just like carrying IWB, a proper holster that covers the trigger is essential. I won't carry my G26 in a pocket. It makes me uneasy. I do sometimes pocket carry a Kahr CM9. It has a loong trigger with a 7.5 lb pull, so I feel comfortable with it.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:32   #27
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If you are going to pocket carry, the only thing that goes in the pocket is the gun. Keys and everything else go in the other pocket. Just like carrying IWB, a proper holster that covers the trigger is essential. I won't carry my G26 in a pocket. It makes me uneasy. I do sometimes pocket carry a Kahr CM9. It has a loong trigger with a 7.5 lb pull, so I feel comfortable with it.
This, just mine is a Ruger LCP. If it ever goes in my pocket with no holster there is NEVER a round in the chamber.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:08   #28
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I guess that no one knows what make and model of the firearm used.
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Old 10-04-2012, 13:46   #29
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I would say that negligent carry caused negligent discharge...

"The father, who has a license to carry a concealed pistol, said he forgot the gun was cocked when he reached into his pocket and it accidentally went off"

He forgot..

So, this begs the question, what would he possibly have done differently, had he remembered that it was "cocked"?
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Old 10-04-2012, 17:35   #30
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What a coincidence, that it "accidentally went off" at the same time that "he reached into his pocket."


I'll bet a crack investigative reporter might deduce that he pulled the trigger; too bad journalism is dead.
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Old 10-05-2012, 02:48   #31
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Pocket Carry Results in Negligent Discharge
Imagine that! Nobody saw that one coming!

It serves him right. They make holsters for a reason.
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Old 10-05-2012, 18:46   #32
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The term 'cocked' often refers to the hammer being back on a S/A pistol. Many possible choices but the more common possibilities for pocket carry are the LCP or a Sig P238. Even if the safety holds solidly into position on the p238 it is still possible for the safety to get pushed off, in the course of movement or pressure on the outside.

I'm not one to carry a p238 'locked & cocked' in the pocket, even in the best of holsters. The LCP, no problem.
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Old 10-05-2012, 18:51   #33
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If you're carrying a cocked weapon without a safety in your pocket without a holster....

One way or another, sooner or later, one of you is going to get decocked.

Choose wisely.

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Old 10-07-2012, 09:58   #34
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what a dimwit! when he reached for the handgun he had to put his finger onn the trigger.....CPS will be after him now.
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Old 10-07-2012, 19:57   #35
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There's no other way to put it; if you're going to carry a handgun in Condition 1 without a proper holster then for cripes sake keep your mind focused on the thousands of ways things can go very wrong very quickly if your attention strays. And things can go quickly wrong even with a proper rig so CCW holders have to keep their attention span focused always.
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Old 10-07-2012, 20:20   #36
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Possibly, but they are relatively rare and expensive enough to weed out most of the candidates for the Darwin awards.

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So only poor people are stupid? Just when you think you've heard eveything.....
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Old 10-08-2012, 18:57   #37
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I guess that nobody knows what make and model of pistol it was.
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Old 10-08-2012, 20:46   #38
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Nope. Nobody does.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:39   #39
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Pocket carry is seductive, but not a good primary plan. A holster can decrease the risk, to be sure.
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Cocked gun goes off as Pontiac man reaches into his pocket

Too bad the article doesn't say what type of handgun he had. Good thing he had a CPL, but he may be liable to lose his CPL, his kid, or both.
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Nope. Nobody does.
I bet that it was a cocked revolver!
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