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Old 10-09-2012, 21:38   #51
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Over Magpul? You (or someone else) has tried both and feels the same?
I have multiple sets of each and seriously I don't have a preference b/w the two.
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Old 10-09-2012, 23:24   #52
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I have a 20 inch A2, and a M-4 that will only ever run irons. Use them for teaching/preping soldiers for quals.


Aside from that, I'd never outfit a rifle for serious purpose that was solely equipped with irons.
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:42   #53
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Fixed or flip, Troy is the way to go. Period.
I have a set of Troy BUIS on my M&P15T that came with the gun. I also have a set of GG&G BUIS on one of my Armlites. The difference between the two is pretty obvious when you look close at them side by side, and shooting proves it out (both guns shoot pretty much the same with optics on them).

The Troy's dont lock up solid and have a lot of play in them. They work OK for what they are, but if thats all youre planning on using, Id look for something else.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:26   #54
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Well, in my opinion, there is a reason they call them back up iron sights (BUIS), because they are back ups.

I've got an aimpoint on my PSA, and an eotech on my colt. What is best? Well, it is all about have options.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:23   #55
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I had an Aimpoint PRO but traded it for ammo and mags. Maybe someday I'll buy another optic but for now I like it lightweight and simple.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:34   #56
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If real life was always well lighted, with bright painted targets and my eyes were what they were at 20, irons would rule for me.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:05   #57
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What about a Nikon 1-4 x 20 M-223?
I have one, dang nice scope IMO. Well worth the money.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:14   #58
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I had an Aimpoint PRO but traded it for ammo and mags. Maybe someday I'll buy another optic but for now I like it lightweight and simple.
I have an Aimpoint t1. Awesome setup on my Noveske.
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Old 10-11-2012, 04:52   #59
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If real life was always well lighted, with bright painted targets and my eyes were what they were at 20, irons would rule for me.
LOL yeah that is the problem with iron sights when the eyes get old.
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Old 10-11-2012, 17:28   #60
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Even with younger eyes, it's a challenge.

The joys of clearing rooms in semidarkness with an A2 compared to an M68 equipped M4 will give you a quick heads up on that......
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:20   #61
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I have a MP15 sport and really have fun shooting with the factory iron sights. Plus it's been a great gun to teach my GF shooting fundamentals with. It's too easy just to hover a red orb over a target and shoot. (at close range anyway)

I admit that pretty much all we do is plink.
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Old 10-12-2012, 13:14   #62
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If real life was always well lighted, with bright painted targets and my eyes were what they were at 20, irons would rule for me.
Agree. When I was younger I could shoot the so good with the sights on my Colt I thought it was silly seeing people spend so much to replace a perfectly good sight set up. Now that I'm older and focus in different planes is slower for me I look at it a lot different.
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Old 10-13-2012, 04:21   #63
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I have a set of Troy BUIS on my M&P15T that came with the gun.......The Troy's dont lock up solid and have a lot of play in them. They work OK for what they are, but if thats all youre planning on using, Id look for something else.
There are two versions of the M&P15T, which one do you have? Can you post pictures of the sights on yours?

I have an original 15T, and the Troy sights are absolutely rock solid, not a bit of play in them.
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Old 10-13-2012, 04:27   #64
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I bought an AR with the intention of using a carry handle and a pinned A2 front sight.

I did this for the reasons FAAWRENCHBNDR stated above. Namely:

Iron sights do not need batteries.
Iron sights rarely, if ever, break or fail.
Iron sights are always there, not in a pack.

Then I decided to put my ACOG on it instead. Why?

Because:

ACOG's do not need batteries.
ACOG's rarely, if ever, break or fail.
ACOG's are always there, not in a pack. (assuming you keep them on the rifle.)

And ACOG's are far more versatile than iron sights. (Especially at distance with these tired, old, astigmatic eyes.)
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Old 10-13-2012, 04:55   #65
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I'm not an optic hater,.....AGOG is outstanding.
Love my Comp M2 a bit better
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Old 10-13-2012, 05:35   #66
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Love my Comp M2 a bit better
Agreed. I have one of those as well. However, if 'No Batteries' is part of the equation...

(Then again, the batteries in the Aimpoint might just outlast the tritium in the ACOG.)
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Old 10-13-2012, 14:45   #67
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There are two versions of the M&P15T, which one do you have?
I didnt realise they had more than one version, so Im not sure which version I have. I got it a couple of years back.

The play in my sights is most noticeable front to back, but there is also some side wiggle as well. As I said earlier, they shoot "OK", its just they dont seem to be as repeatable as the GG&G's, which have zero play.


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ACOG is a short telescopic sight and not a typical red dot sight.

I am a proponent of short scopes for combat exactly for the reasons you've listed. Set it on 1X or 1.5X for contact distances and crank it up to 4X for longer ranges.

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I bought an AR with the intention of using a carry handle and a pinned A2 front sight.

I did this for the reasons FAAWRENCHBNDR stated above. Namely:

Iron sights do not need batteries.
Iron sights rarely, if ever, break or fail.
Iron sights are always there, not in a pack.

Then I decided to put my ACOG on it instead. Why?

Because:

ACOG's do not need batteries.
ACOG's rarely, if ever, break or fail.
ACOG's are always there, not in a pack. (assuming you keep them on the rifle.)

And ACOG's are far more versatile than iron sights. (Especially at distance with these tired, old, astigmatic eyes.)
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I am a proponent of short scopes for combat exactly for the reasons you've listed. Set it on 1X or 1.5X for contact distances and crank it up to 4X for longer ranges.
I have one AR set up just as you describe, and for the same reasons. It does work well, but to be "perfect", something like Trijicons Accupoints would be the ticket. Scopes lacking night or low/no light capability are at a disadvantage to the red dots.

Having both, the red dots are still my favorites for all around use. I am thinking about that Trijcon though.
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I have one AR set up just as you describe, and for the same reasons. It does work well, but to be "perfect", something like Trijicons Accupoints would be the ticket. Scopes lacking night or low/no light capability are at a disadvantage to the red dots.
Some short scopes of glowing reticules. Even without the glowing reticules, they still magnify ambient light. Not to mention you can use infrared laser pointers coupled to a night vision goggle.

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To each his own. I have both red dot and short scope. I prefer short scope.
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Some short scopes of glowing reticules. Even without the glowing reticules, they still magnify ambient light. Not to mention you can use infrared laser pointers coupled to a night vision goggle.
The glowing reticule would be better, but Id personally rather have the dot or triangle. I find it less busy, and distracting, especially in lower light.

The lower power scopes Ive used, dont have the light gathering objectives the bigger scopes have. I really dont see much if any difference between them and my red dots.

Laser and night vision are nice, but expensive, and I still get a 24 hour sight with even a cheap red dot. My M2's are NV ready too.

Hey, it all comes down to what works best for you. You really cant go wrong with either. With todays zero repeatable mounts, you can actually have the best of both worlds with one gun, and its nice to have the options. My AR with the 1.5x5 on it, also has a pre zeroed M2 on its own lever mount. It can be either or, in about 15-20 seconds.
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Old 10-13-2012, 16:28   #72
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Old 10-14-2012, 03:25   #73
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I didnt realise they had more than one version, so Im not sure which version I have. I got it a couple of years back.

The play in my sights is most noticeable front to back, but there is also some side wiggle as well. As I said earlier, they shoot "OK", its just they dont seem to be as repeatable as the GG&G's, which have zero play.


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Very odd...

You have the same, original 15T as I do, but I have a slightly different front sight. Still, those do look like Troys, so it's odd that you're having issues with them. Maybe paint got into the mechanisms and froze the springs that apply tension?

Mine are rock solid, and snick-snick into place and back to folded down.

You might try removing them, soaking them in paint remover, then cleaning and oiling them up real good. Might help.
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Agreed. I have one of those as well. However, if 'No Batteries' is part of the equation...

(Then again, the batteries in the Aimpoint might just outlast the tritium in the ACOG.)
I hear ya,........not a big fan of the ACOG price tag.
Other than a scope, the Aimpoint is the only optic I care for.
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ak130k that is a nice setup!
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