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Old 10-10-2012, 14:57   #81
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The way I look at it, a person shot with birdshot MAY CHOOSE to stop after getting hit. [/QUOTE]

30 years of experience in a level 1 trauma center points out that is just not the case.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not arguing against the effectiveness of buckshot, it is devastating But for my house, my "things go bump in the night", home invasion scenario shotgun, the turkey loads are my first choice. I have zero reservations about their effectiveness at the ranges I would be using them.
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Old 10-10-2012, 15:15   #82
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30 years of experience in a level 1 trauma center points out that is just not the case.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not arguing against the effectiveness of buckshot, it is devastating But for my house, my "things go bump in the night", home invasion scenario shotgun, the turkey loads are my first choice. I have zero reservations about their effectiveness at the ranges I would be using them.
I understand completely, we are all entitled to our opinions and I respect your choice based on your experience and your HD application.

I hope neither of us ever find ourselves in a situation where we have to use our shotguns for self defense, but if we do I hope our loads work.
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Old 10-10-2012, 17:53   #83
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Choke means nothing at 7 yds. I load turkey loads because they are higher quality shells (high brass, more reliable feeding/ extraction) than most target loads. Buck shot will penetrate walls/ floors etc more effectively than bird shot. A real issue in my house. Once bird shot loads have passed through sheet rock, doors, floors etc they may still be dangerous, but much less lethal than buckshot.

At 21 feet a skeet load will render a canadian goose into mangled sack of goo, so I have no idea what you are talking about with regard to larger birds.
To say choke means nothing @ 7yds tells me you either do not test your sg loads or have never used an open/riot choke, Yes it matters. A mod choke will reduce the spread to 2-3" @ 21ft, that is signifcant. Again, I wet pheasant @ approx 50ft w/ mod choke & #6 & had most pellets stop inside the bird & many right under the skin, not comforting for SD, but hey, your life. My own test prove diff than complete obliteration of anything @ 21ft w/ an open/riot choke.
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That was a #6 shot @ 21ft from a 870 riot bbl thru 2 layers of denim. Note none of the #6 went thru the ribs on the right. The left were smashed & broken using #4 buck. I know which would end the fight sooner than later. Yes choke matters at any distance but contact.
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Old 10-10-2012, 18:30   #84
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Birdshot in a pinch if nothing else is available, but #1 buck is the best of all.
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Old 10-10-2012, 18:33   #85
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Birdshot in a pinch if nothing else is available, but #1 buck is the best of all.
#1 is indeed great.

How mine patterns at 75 feet

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21 feet (plus some 00 to the cranium)
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#1 is indeed great.

How mine patterns at 75 feet

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Old 10-11-2012, 13:11   #87
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Here is a thread and a quote from earlier today...........



Chris Costa on HD shotguns and handguns

Also, itís worth noting that during my courses or when I shoot in my DVDs, every time I shoot Iím firing law enforcement rounds of 1600 feet/second slugs, or 1500/second 00 buck. Iím not going out there running birdshot; you know if we went out there and ran birdshot #7 or #8 I could actually employ the gun much faster. My whole goal is to demonstrate and teach whatís very realistic.
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Here is a thread and a quote from earlier today...........



Chris Costa on HD shotguns and handguns

Also, itís worth noting that during my courses or when I shoot in my DVDs, every time I shoot Iím firing law enforcement rounds of 1600 feet/second slugs, or 1500/second 00 buck. Iím not going out there running birdshot; you know if we went out there and ran birdshot #7 or #8 I could actually employ the gun much faster. My whole goal is to demonstrate and teach whatís very realistic.
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It was an interesting read. I'm curious about his instruction to center the gun on your chest as much as possible? I have the Magpul video, but I don't remember that... Must have not paid enough attention.

He makes a good point about the pistol at night, clearing the house. I don't plan on any house clearing. We are going to retreat and defend from cover. DWHas the rifle and I have the SG. She is a deadly shot! So our philosophy is that out pistols are to get us to our long guns. I realize kids would complicate that, but ours are grown.


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It was an interesting read. I'm curious about his instruction to center the gun on your chest as much as possible? I have the Magpul video, but I don't remember that... Must have not paid enough attention.

He makes a good point about the pistol at night, clearing the house. I don't plan on any house clearing. We are going to retreat and defend from cover. DWHas the rifle and I have the SG. She is a deadly shot! So our philosophy is that out pistols are to get us to our long guns. I realize kids would complicate that, but ours are grown.


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sorry, I was referring to the Chris Costa interview.




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Oh I am going to vote for sure

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It was an interesting read. I'm curious about his instruction to center the gun on your chest as much as possible? I have the Magpul video, but I don't remember that... Must have not paid enough attention.

He makes a good point about the pistol at night, clearing the house. I don't plan on any house clearing. We are going to retreat and defend from cover. DWHas the rifle and I have the SG. She is a deadly shot! So our philosophy is that out pistols are to get us to our long guns. I realize kids would complicate that, but ours are grown.


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