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Old 10-10-2012, 20:11   #226
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Hmmm Let me see.
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Yep. Ohio is on the list of states I avoid if I can. That's why.
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Old 10-10-2012, 20:52   #227
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Hmmm Let me see.
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Yep. Ohio is on the list of states I avoid if I can. That's why.
Hey, I resemble one of those. Maybe some day we will honor out of state permits, perhaps even the Constitution

Might have to secede from NYC first.
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Old 10-10-2012, 21:02   #228
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Here is a link to some guys that don't have to worry about getting their pension. As a suit and tie warrior, look how much savings you got as a tax payer. Was it another gnarly day on your cell phone and computer all day?

http://www.odmp.org/search/year
Grow Up. There are plenty of jobs in the United States that are more hazardous than being a police officer in which the practitioners of those occupations don't ask society to put their safety before the rights of the common man.

I'm all for officer safety, in fact I see it as a priority. But not at the expense of individual liberty. Otherwise, what did those officers work and sacrifice for?
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Old 10-10-2012, 21:06   #229
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Grow Up. There are plenty of jobs in the United States that are more hazardous than being a police officer in which the practitioners of those occupations don't ask society to put their safety before the rights of the common man.

I'm all for officer safety, in fact I see it as a priority. But not at the expense of individual liberty. Otherwise, what did those officers work and sacrifice for?
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Old 10-10-2012, 21:36   #230
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I see what you mean... wait a minute, I actually don't because you didn't say anything.
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Old 10-10-2012, 21:45   #231
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Sadly, a lesson to be learned. If it's not asked about, don't volunteer the info. Chances are the officer would not have guessed or asked about it unless it was a major speeding or reckless driving etc.
WTF does "major speeding" have to do with a gun. I see people (and drive) well over 100mph all the time. I promise you probably ZERO have a gun.

How exactly does a cop make a reasonable argument that someone that is "major speeding" extrapolates to having a gun? Maybe he is just a priest late for an appointment with an alter boy?
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Old 10-10-2012, 22:17   #232
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WTF does "major speeding" have to do with a gun. I see people (and drive) well over 100mph all the time. I promise you probably ZERO have a gun.

How exactly does a cop make a reasonable argument that someone that is "major speeding" extrapolates to having a gun? Maybe he is just a priest late for an appointment with an alter boy?
He probably just asks. Lots of people are stupid enough to be violating the law AND talk about it.
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Old 10-10-2012, 22:47   #233
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Here is a link to some guys that don't have to worry about getting their pension. As a suit and tie warrior, look how much savings you got as a tax payer. Was it another gnarly day on your cell phone and computer all day?
Please dont worry. I never intended nor believed that your type would understand the obtuse reference that I was making based upon the post(s) that I commented on.

The post I commented on was making a reference to laws that have been passed that are immoral and not within the values system of the USA.

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And we all share the blame for allowing the states to assume the power to take such rights from us.
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I agree. Free Speech is almost gone too.
But trust me, I understand for some people it is all about following orders and not thinking for themselves if something is morally right or wrong, only what is written on a piece of paper and claiming it legal. Many things throughout history have been legal under the laws of a country that is in power at the time, but that does not make them moral nor absolve someone of culpability of immoral actions.

I am not that old, but I suspect that there are people on GT who remember not so long ago in the USA when black people had to ride in the back of the bus. Then along came a black woman named Rosa Parks who refused to move. Soon after, on March 7, 1965 there was Bloody Sunday. Although the acts were “legal” I seriously doubt many would say that they were moral.

Let me ask you, was what happened on Bloody Sunday (March 7, 1965) moral then? Is it moral now? Was is it at time legal?

My comment, as directed to this post is although the OP may have been arrested / charge with something that is "illegal", is moral? If you cannot respond that it is moral (based upon the values we hold as Americans) then the only answer that one can come up with is that at least the person enforcing something immoral got to go home and gets a pension because that is what I have seen on GT they most worry about.

I have yet to see one officer talk about if an action is moral, only that it is "legal" (by their own view of the world).

My opinion is one that cannot separate legal and moral, is simply an order away from being a KZ guard.

Now, in reality, I suspect that most of the blow hards do have some sense of the difference between legal/moral in real life but dont want to admit it. If you dont and simply follow what is legal (orders), then my judgement of you being merely an order away from KZ guard stands.
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I have yet to see one officer talk about if an action is moral, only that it is "legal" (by their own view of the world).
That is probably because you lack the ability to actually define immoral by any objective relevant standard. Like many your views of "moral" and "immoral" is defined by your personal likes or dislikes.

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Oh gee, one of the reoccurring favorites of the "Gun Rights crowd". those that lack the intelligence to see there is absolutely no correlation between the civil rights movement and their "gun rights" desires.

To Start with blacks were denied rights due to their race/color. The discriminatory laws applied to just them not others. This is not the case with Gun Laws which apply to everyone regardless of race, religion, or sex.

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And you have demonstrated time and time again that your opinions are based on noting more than your own bias in your little anti cop crusade.
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Old 10-10-2012, 23:26   #235
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I have hunted all my life and have never seen a reason to carry a handgun in the woods or back country. Sure sign of someone who is uncomfortable there or just trying to play make believe.

And. When I carry in a car, the gun is unloaded and packed in a case.

While that may be fine for how you hunt, and where, remember, not all of us sit on our butts in a stand we walked to, 30 min before the sun comes up, overlooking a corn field/deer feeder.


I'm going to guess you've probably never run across a bear while you were packing out that animal you just shot on your backboard.


Or seen glowing eyeballs in the beam of your headlight, as you gut an animal in the dark.



My handgun gets used fairly regularly, both in AK, and when I hunted in MN, and TX.
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Old 10-10-2012, 23:27   #236
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If Dragoon has his duty black powder pistol they gave him when he retired in the car, are antique firearms allowed in Ohio?
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Old 10-10-2012, 23:31   #238
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it's allowed wherever I say it's allowed!!!

Dang Bro I haven't seen you in ages! thought they finally caught up with you and put you in the looney bin where you belong!

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That is probably because you lack the ability to actually define immoral by any objective relevant standard. Like many your views of "moral" and "immoral" is defined by your personal likes or dislikes.
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Oh gee, one of the reoccurring favorites of the "Gun Rights crowd". those that lack the intelligence to see there is absolutely no correlation between the civil rights movement and their "gun rights" desires.
Yes. No one is as smart as you. We are all idiots.

I suspect you took a job as cop because you lacked the intelligence to get a better job. Shall we continue the insults that you started or will go go cry to Russ???


[quote=Dragoon44;19505966]To Start with blacks were denied rights due to their race/color. The discriminatory laws applied to just them not others. This is not the case with Gun Laws which apply to everyone regardless of race, religion, or sex.



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And you have demonstrated time and time again that your opinions are based on noting more than your own bias in your lcop crusade.
And you have shown your bias against critical thinking with your won little cops are god crusade.

You have made the esteemed position as the sole person on my ignore list.
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it's allowed wherever I say it's allowed!!!

Dang Bro I haven't seen you in ages! thought they finally caught up with you and put you in the looney bin where you belong!


Escaped, I did


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it's allowed wherever I say it's allowed!!!

Dang Bro I haven't seen you in ages! thought they finally caught up with you and put you in the looney bin where you belong!



I'm saving him a seat in the looney bin!
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I'm saving him a seat in the looney bin!
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What makes it all the more disappointing is the abundance of "pro-gun" types on here who are so eager to blame the guy arrested for not knowing the law or having a permit.

Why? This entire issue, is solely his fault.


Had he cared to look, he'd have known he was illegal and wouldn't have gotten arrested.


Instead, he chose to be willfully ignorant, and found himself on the other side of the law.



You don't have to agree with the law, and if you don't, then by all means, lobby, and try to change it. But agree or disagree, you're still required to abide by it.


As a gun owner, I think we should blame the fellow gun owners who do not follow the rules. For they give the rest of us bad names.
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Why? This entire issue, is solely his fault.


Had he cared to look, he'd have known he was illegal and wouldn't have gotten arrested.


Instead, he chose to be willfully ignorant, and found himself on the other side of the law.



You don't have to agree with the law, and if you don't, then by all means, lobby, and try to change it. But agree or disagree, you're still required to abide by it.


As a gun owner, I think we should blame the fellow gun owners who do not follow the rules. For they give the rest of us bad names.
You and I disagree on many things but I have to say seeing you take this particular position is very disappointing.
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I don't agree with the gun laws of Ohio.


But I have to follow the gun laws of Ohio, while I'm in Ohio.


I can not complain that its anyone else's fault, if I take my guns to Ohio, and they lock me up, because I'm breaking the law.



If I go to a different state, I can't hunt by my states rules. I can't drive by my states speed limits, why should I be able to carry a gun, based upon MY state of residences rules? That makes absolutely no sense.
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I don't agree with the gun laws of Ohio.


But I have to follow the gun laws of Ohio, while I'm in Ohio.


I can not complain that its anyone else's fault, if I take my guns to Ohio, and they lock me up, because I'm breaking the law.



If I go to a different state, I can't hunt by my states rules. I can't drive by my states speed limits, why should I be able to carry a gun, based upon MY state of residences rules? That makes absolutely no sense.




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That's why.

I'd hoped to see more here outraged that a fellow gun owner minding his own business fell victim to the unconstitutional and immoral laws in the state of Ohio.

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You claim its unconstitutional, and immoral. The Supreme court, who's job it is to govern such things, has ruled otherwise.

I don't agree with their laws, but how I feel, really doesn't have much to do with the legality of it.

I'd like to see a lot of things. However, what I'd like, and reality, don't always mesh.
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You claim its unconstitutional, and immoral. The Supreme court, who's job it is to govern such things, has ruled otherwise.
The Supreme Court is wrong. Again. Happens a lot.

BTW, when did they rule it was moral?



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