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Old 10-10-2012, 21:54   #51
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My Gen3 G27, NRR prefix ejected fine at first but at 200 rounds I and a relative noticed some spent casings going over my head. I thought nothing of it and just kept shooting until 300 when some were going straight up in the air then landing back on my arms or on the top of the slide. Then I inspected the spent casings and saw a big dent/scrape at the case mouths with corresponding brass dust and smearing on the lower ejection port of the slide. I tried different ammo, same results. I had kept some of the first spent casings fired through this gun and they did not have the dent/scrape. Once the ejection problem started, 98% of the spent casings had the dent/scrape at the case mouth and about 10% were either ejecting over my head or straight up in the air. The dents/scrapes at the case mouths are similar to my Paint drawing below:
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My brass does the same thing from my Gen 4 G23 that spits brass in my face about once or twice every 100 rounds. When I first got it the BTF was more frequent, but Glock sent me a new recoil spring (can't remember which without checking) and I get less BTF (but it still happens). I understand there is a new extractor out, and I think I'll try that. I don't like BTF one bit, and I also don't like the mouth's of my brass getting beat up like that since I load my own. Before anyone says anything I get the same result with factory ammo.
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Old 10-10-2012, 21:54   #52
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Has anyone recorded any differences between the #'s on the extractors? or what the purpose is?

**Edit....found the answer.

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"People have asked and been told by Glock representatives that the numbers correspond to which mold was used to make them, not to any particular version or design change."

source http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1406306
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Old 10-11-2012, 04:19   #53
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I've got about a twenty page thread somewhere in here........

two Glocks: Glock 23 and 27 gen 3's.......

around the 500 round mark started getting BTF.....new ejectors, RSA's and extractors.....

still got BTF....spent $$$$ trying to get it to work......traded both for Springfield XD's ...problem solved......

to all you guys spending money on this piece of junk trying to get it to work for you, i say STOP, there are too many other good guns out there to spend your money on....

until glock gets their head out of their ass i would not touch a glock or spend one more dime on it.....

freakin' ridiculous this garbage is coming out of a once great firearms company....
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:29   #54
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Posting to subscribe. I am anxious to read what effect these new parts will have the pistol's ejection. Thanks for posting Fire_Medic and dhgeyer. Good luck guys.

P.S. my ignore list just got longer....I hate having to scroll past worthless posts.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:46   #55
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I've got about a twenty page thread somewhere in here........

two Glocks: Glock 23 and 27 gen 3's.......

around the 500 round mark started getting BTF.....new ejectors, RSA's and extractors.....

still got BTF....spent $$$$ trying to get it to work......traded both for Springfield XD's ...problem solved......

to all you guys spending money on this piece of junk trying to get it to work for you, i say STOP, there are too many other good guns out there to spend your money on....

until glock gets their head out of their ass i would not touch a glock or spend one more dime on it.....

freakin' ridiculous this garbage is coming out of a once great firearms company....

Hey, I thought your Farewell Tour was over?

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Old 10-11-2012, 11:02   #56
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I have a G19 with SDB*** serial and a G17 with TBD*** serial. Originally, the G19 would hit me in the face with brass at least two or three times per mag. It seems to have gotten better. However, the G17 originally was fine, but will occasionally hit me in the face (maybe one piece of brass out of 50-100 rounds).

Glock really needs to fix this problem. It not only causes the shooter to flinch, but it burns my face. It's especially bad for new shooters because they might become afraid of shooting in fear of potentially getting brass in the face.
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Old 10-11-2012, 13:16   #57
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Ironically I started looking at the XDM's on GunBroker last night myself. My concern with the btf is that sometimes when I'm at the farm looking for game trails for deer season I like to pop a shot or two off for fun. since I don't go with the intention of shooting a session I don't bring all my range gear or think yo grab my shooting glasses. I feel that firing my Gen 4 g23 shouldn't have me concerned with taking a casing mouth first to my eye. pretty disappointing. plus it eats up my brass. Since I reload and just paid for 1000ct of 40s&w starline brass I'm not willing to let the.glock Jack it up. that would eat up the cost savings of loading my own. So the XDM is looking like a real viable option right now. However I do prefer everything about the Glock over the XDM with exception to the issues they have been having. Dang it Glock, get your head gear squared away!

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Old 10-11-2012, 13:40   #58
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I bought my brand new 29sf a month ago. I noticed as I hand racked the slide it would fail to return to battery about half the time. I called Glock and the gentleman said it should be fine once I started shooting it.

My first outing was last week. Out of 50 rounds it failed to return to battery 4 times. An 8% failure rate is unacceptable, maybe I should have saved $300 and bought a Taurus.....kidding.....but you get my point.

I called Glock again and the gentleman said he would send me a new recoil spring assembly. I asked if he thought that would work and he said "That's the first thing we try."

Not very comforting.....

I will let you know when it gets here.
My Glock was the same way. I found that the bump on the trigger bar (that pushes on the safety plunger) was rubbing so hard on the bottom of the slide (it's not supposed to rub at all) that it prevented the gun from cycling properly. I took about .030 of metal off the top of it before it stopped rubbing, and now it works much better, and the safety plunger still works.

This is just plain old proof that Glocks are not being manufactured to even halfway decent tolerances anymore. Pistol actions have nothing in them, and I mean NOTHING, that should need a break in period AT ALL since there is nothing in a pistol action that is SUPPOSED to have an interference fit - it's not like it's piston rings needing to establish the proper surface finish on the cylinder walls or anything like that.

All the really good guns I've ever owned worked perfect from the very first shot, and the "break in" nonsense is just a lame excuse from Glock about the bad job they are doing with quality control these days. In the sixties, I never heard anyone say their Browning High Power needed a break in period. Some of the crappy looking new ones made by other companies might, but the old authentic Brownings didn't.

The fact that Glock, with modern CNC equipment, cannot seem to make gun parts as accurately as all the other gun companies did 50 years ago is down right pathetic.

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Old 10-11-2012, 14:36   #59
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I just bought a gen 4 19. It has an AAFV prefix serial # and the casing was fired 9-27-12. I'm going to the range as soon as possible to see how it shoots. I kinda wish I hadn't traded my gen 3 for some yard grading, but hopefully all is well with this new pistol. I'll post back with a report. Any suggestions as to what I might do to bring more info let me know.
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Old 10-11-2012, 16:57   #60
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Oh thank you!!! I didn't know there was an ignore list. Thanks for telling me. Congratulations tnpatriot: you get to be the first!
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:59   #61
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I just bought a gen 4 19. It has an AAFV prefix serial #... I'm going to the range as soon as possible to see how it shoots.
I haven't heard of erratic ejection out of a single USA-made Glock yet, but there haven't been too many range reports with them. I'm looking forward to hearing what you experience.
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:02   #62
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Update:

As I was leaving to the range yesterday the post lady comes by and gives me my mail, and low and behold my order from Glock Parts.Com came in. The LCI 9MM Extractor and white sound defense HRED I ordered from them came in. Their extractor is the newer "non-dipped" version. Why they have this part and Glock themselves still mailed me the old "dipped" version I have no clue, but off to the range I went, happy that I had the parts in hand to do the testing I wanted to. I took 200 rounds of 9MM with me.

First up was the gun as it has been, with the erratic ejection, no parts swapped. In the first magazine the BTF and erratic ejection continued. 20 rounds of this nonsense was enough, time to swap parts.

Swapped in the new RSA from Glock along with the "dipped" extractor they sent me. 30 rounds this way and the pistol performed EXACTLY as it did before the new parts were thrown in.

Next up tried the HRED with the "new" dipped extractor and the pistol was no better than before, and if I didn't know any better was even more erratic.

Next tried the Glockparts "non-dipped" extractor with the HRED, and the pistol was ejecting very strong out to between 3-5 o'clock every time. 125 rounds down range with this combo and not one single brass to the face, or to the left, or straight up and down. I had (2) pieces of brass go over my shoulder at a 45 degree angle, but the rest were much further away from me and bouncing of the divider of the range.

125 rounds by no means is any sign of reliability with these parts, but it's a start. The fact that the new parts from Smyrna had absolutely no effect to change things for the better was very enlightening. I will leave the HRED assembly and the non dipped extractor and see what happens over the next few hundred rounds. I know this combo has not worked for others, but so far it's working for me. So "in my case" the Apex part will be on hold "for now", as if the gun is working as it should with the current setup I see no need to spend another $60 at the moment.

One curious thing to me was, that the new non dipped extractor has no number on it like the other two, so nothing else to share there except it's the newer non dipped LCI 9MM version.

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I haven't heard of erratic ejection out of a single USA-made Glock yet, but there haven't been too many range reports with them. I'm looking forward to hearing what you experience.

I wasn't aware the problematic guns were Austrian. I did go to the range and put 100 rounds of 115gr ball American Eagle down range. No problems whatsoever. It was hard to tell exactly where the spent cases were ejecting to because of the lane dividers, but they all appeared to be going back and to the right pretty consistently. None to the face or head. I will say that it is a b*tch to get #14 and 15 in the mags. I guess they will loosen up over time.
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Update:

As I was leaving to the range yesterday the post lady comes by and gives me my mail, and low and behold my order from Glock Parts.Com came in. The LCI 9MM Extractor and white sound defense HRED I ordered from them came in. Their extractor is the newer "non-dipped" version. Why they have this part and Glock themselves still mailed me the old "dipped" version I have no clue, but off to the range I went, happy that I had the parts in hand to do the testing I wanted to. I took 200 rounds of 9MM with me.

First up was the gun as it has been, with the erratic ejection, no parts swapped. In the first magazine the BTF and erratic ejection continued. 20 rounds of this nonsense was enough, time to swap parts.

Swapped in the new RSA from Glock along with the "dipped" extractor they sent me. 30 rounds this way and the pistol performed EXACTLY as it did before the new parts were thrown in.

Next up tried the HRED with the "new" dipped extractor and the pistol was no better than before, and if I didn't know any better was even more erratic.

Next tried the Glockparts "non-dipped" extractor with the HRED, and the pistol was ejecting very strong out to between 3-5 o'clock every time. 125 rounds down range with this combo and not one single brass to the face, or to the left, or straight up and down. I had (2) pieces of brass go over my shoulder at a 45 degree angle, but the rest were much further away from me and bouncing of the divider of the range.

125 rounds by no means is any sign of reliability with these parts, but it's a start. The fact that the new parts from Smyrna had absolutely no effect to change things for the better was very enlightening. I will leave the HRED assembly and the non dipped extractor and see what happens over the next few hundred rounds. I know this combo has not worked for others, but so far it's working for me. So "in my case" the Apex part will be on hold "for now", as if the gun is working as it should with the current setup I see no need to spend another $60 at the moment.

One curious thing to me was, that the new non dipped extractor has no number on it like the other two, so nothing else to share there except it's the newer non dipped LCI 9MM version.

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Is your new non dipped extractor a Glock OEM or Lonewolf? My HRED experience was erratic ejections and BTFs with greater force. My non dipped LW investment cast extractor is *****in.
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Hey, what happened? My post was just censored. Don't they allow California expressions?

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The Non Dipped one is a factory Glock part that I am using with success with the HRED.

I have not ordered a LW extractor.
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Are you going to try factory EDP, SLB with White Sounds Defense spring and new factory non-dip extractor. Congratulations on your results so far.
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Are you going to try factory EDP, SLB with White Sounds Defense spring and new factory non-dip extractor. Congratulations on your results so far.
Probably will next time out just because. But I got the desired results with the HRED and non dipped extractor so called it good, because I took my new Savage .22 bolt action yesterday, and it was my first time out with it so I wanted to play. Got it sighted in and it's just too much fun, what a little tack driver. I'm still smiling from shooting that rifle. Also took my new to me mid size M&P 45 yesterday too, nothing bad at all to say there either. Thumb safety model with Apex FSS trigger kit, and it's just a great setup.

But I'm hooked on the .22 now, first bolt action rifle I have owned and I'm hooked. Now I see what all the rimfire guys are talking about, and the ammo is so cheap you can shoot all day long on the cheap.
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Well, you just had a great day yesterday. Wait till you discover the Olympic class .22 ammo and put 20 rounds through the same little hole.
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Well, you just had a great day yesterday. Wait till you discover the Olympic class .22 ammo and put 20 rounds through the same little hole.
Yeah me and another buddy Fireman of mine got to the range around 2:30 and we were there until they closed at 8PM.

No big deal yesterday, but the Savage really impressed me, such a cheap rifle, and so accurate, my 5 shot groups at 50 yards could be covered with a dime. And I haven't even messed with the TQ setting on the stock or anything. Liking the scope I got too, got good reviews and I'm happy with it. Was shooting CCI 40gr Standard velocity scored a 5K round case of it for a good price online, so I will be good for a while to shoot the bolt action.

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Stupid question, what the hell is an HRED?
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Stupid question, what the hell is an HRED?
http://www.whitesounddefense.com/pro....E.D.-9mm.html
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Stupid question, what the hell is an HRED?
High Reliability Extractor Depressor (H.R.E.D.)
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Glock appears to have improved the quality of their extractors lately. The 9mm non dipped LCI and the latest 40 (still dipped) LCI extractor I have ordered have been of much better quality then the previous mim extractors they replaced. The extractor in my 2009 G22 was was mim and showed significant wear marks on the top and bottom.

Hopefully they have figured out how to make good extractors like they used to.
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I really hope your ejection issues are fixed with the HRED combo you're using. Congrats on the positive results.

I also love my little 22lr rifle and I also use Meuller scopes. They are great!
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