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Old 10-11-2012, 22:54   #41
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Overall, a good post.

One quibble about the Muslim who was "run off" by being "told that he's a liar":
If someone is lying, as his 'religion' tells him to do in order to promote its supremacy,
Good point. Is it your religion that compels you to lie?

Still haven't seen you point out any sharia laws in Dearborn to back up your claims (oops, should have said LIES).

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Old 10-11-2012, 23:08   #42
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Good point. Is it your religion that compels you to lie?

Still haven't seen you point out any sharia laws in Dearborn to back up your claims (oops, should have said LIES).

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Old 10-12-2012, 00:12   #43
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The Bible is right.

Humans have been a fallen race ever since Adam and Eve listened to Satan disguised as a serpent, and ate the forbidden fruit. Salvation does not come from rejecting God. Just the opposite, in fact.

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where does it say Satan? it was a snake, it never said Satan. have you even read the bible?
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Old 10-12-2012, 00:17   #44
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Overall, a good post.

One quibble about the Muslim who was "run off" by being "told that he's a liar":
kind of like you lie about Satan and a snake?
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kind of like you lie about Satan and a snake?
"Lie" is a pretty strong and hostile word, and on what evidence? None. You sound like an 'extremist', and a deceptive one at that.

Have you ever met a talking snake? Neither have I.

If you did, might you not be ready to believe something supernatural was afoot? Perhaps that Satan had disguised himself as a snake? The footnote in my KJV Bible re Genesis 3:1 says, "The great deceiver clothed himself as a serpent, as one of God's good creatures. He insinuated a falsehood and portrayed rebellion as clever, but essentially innocent, self-interest. Therefore, "the devil, or Satan", is later referred to as "that old serpent" -Revelations12:9; 20:2."

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Old 10-12-2012, 09:27   #46
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Why is it, you guys always want to censor or silence us. Can your story book not withstand a little questioning?
What bone do you have to pick against God?
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Is it your religion that compels you to lie?
Leftist dhimmis sure do project a lot around here. They lie in support of their Islam, which teaches takiyya (lying)

But the Bible forewarned of this sort of thing: "If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, Whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest". -Proverbs 29:9 Try giving it a rest.
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What bone do you have to pick against God?
Lots. And every time we do it's the same thing. "Why do you guys come to a religious room?" "The atheists should be given the boot.". I don't want to silence you believers. I don't want to censor you. I want to confront you and ultimately dismantle your religion.
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Agreed. Bronze Age Mythology written by savages versus factual scientific data. It's a no brainer for sure.
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Lots. And every time we do it's the same thing. "Why do you guys come to a religious room?" "The atheists should be given the boot.". I don't want to silence you believers. I don't want to censor you. I want to confront you and ultimately dismantle your religion.
Ok, how can you have a bone to pick against someone you believe doesn't exist? You seem to be bigoted and full of hate. You don't want to silence or censor, but you want to dismantle. Ok...
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"Lie" is a pretty strong and hostile word, and on what evidence? None. You sound like an 'extremist', and a deceptive one at that.

Have you ever met a talking snake? Neither have I.
Because snakes don't talk.

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If you did, might you not be ready to believe something supernatural was afoot? Perhaps that Satan had disguised himself as a snake?
Perhaps it never happened.

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The footnote in my KJV Bible re Genesis 3:1 says, "The great deceiver clothed himself as a serpent, as one of God's good creatures. He insinuated a falsehood and portrayed rebellion as clever, but essentially innocent, self-interest. Therefore, "the devil, or Satan", is later referred to as "that old serpent" -Revelations12:9; 20:2."

Well if it says so in the footnotes then it must be true. I didn't realize God used footnotes.
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But the Bible forewarned of this sort of thing: "If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, Whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest". -Proverbs 29:9
Then that settles it. If the Bible says it then it must be true.
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Because snakes don't talk.

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Ok, how can you have a bone to pick against someone you believe doesn't exist? You seem to be bigoted and full of hate. You don't want to silence or censor, but you want to dismantle. Ok...
To be more accurate I have a bone to pick with the concept of God.

Bigoted... mmm... no not really. I know some fine Christians. But it has nothing to do with them being Christian. They're just good people. They'd be just as good were they Muslim or Agnostic. I tend to work on a case by case basis.

But yes... I do want to do everything in my power to dismantle religion and the concept of God. But not by force mind you. Just with reason and logic. I want to help in every way I can to decrease the number of gaps that God hides in.
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"Lie" is a pretty strong and hostile word, and on what evidence? None. You sound like an 'extremist', and a deceptive one at that.

Have you ever met a talking snake? Neither have I.

If you did, might you not be ready to believe something supernatural was afoot? Perhaps that Satan had disguised himself as a snake? The footnote in my KJV Bible re Genesis 3:1 says, "The great deceiver clothed himself as a serpent, as one of God's good creatures. He insinuated a falsehood and portrayed rebellion as clever, but essentially innocent, self-interest. Therefore, "the devil, or Satan", is later referred to as "that old serpent" -Revelations12:9; 20:2."


so no mention of Satan until the Christians came along years latter. how odd and revisionist. no where in genesis is Satan mentioned now is he?

an no i have never met a talking snake. i and everyone else alive have not seen half the stuff that is said to be able happen according to the bible.

plus Satan is suppose to be evil right? but the snake was doing a good thing by giving us knowledge. so are you saying Satan is a good guy?

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so no mention of Satan until the Christians came along years latter. how odd and revisionist. no where in genesis is Satan mentioned now is he?

an no i have never met a talking snake. i and everyone else alive have not seen half the stuff that is said to be able happen according to the bible.

plus Satan is suppose to be evil right? but the snake was doing a good thing by giving us knowledge. so are you saying Satan is a good guy?
Satan was a very late invention. At that time the Jews were just being absolutely tormented by the Romans. And so they invented a supernatural concept by which their tormentors would themselves eventually be tormented. But if you watch the history unfold Satan is absolutely and invention of man. He's the boogie man... the voice in your head that makes you do bad things... the monster under your bed.
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so no mention of Satan until the Christians came along years latter. how odd and revisionist. no where in genesis is Satan mentioned now is he?

an no i have never met a talking snake. i and everyone else alive have not seen half the stuff that is said to be able happen according to the bible.

plus Satan is suppose to be evil right? but the snake was doing a good thing by giving us knowledge. so are you saying Satan is a good guy?
Are you saying that you believe in Genesis, but not the rest of the Bible? Different, for sure, but why do I suspect that you don't believe in Genesis either?

Yes, Satan personifies evil. No, the snake (a.k.a. Satan) was not doing a good thing. He pretended to do a good thing, but, you see, that's just the problem with Satan; he's a con man. He was actually tempting people to sin; to rebel against God's will. That's one of the points of the story -don't be gullible for Satanic lies.
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To be more accurate I have a bone to pick with the concept of God.

Bigoted... mmm... no not really. I know some fine Christians. But it has nothing to do with them being Christian. They're just good people. They'd be just as good were they Muslim or Agnostic. I tend to work on a case by case basis.

But yes... I do want to do everything in my power to dismantle religion and the concept of God. But not by force mind you. Just with reason and logic. I want to help in every way I can to decrease the number of gaps that God hides in.
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so no mention of Satan until the Christians came along years latter. how odd and revisionist. no where in genesis is Satan mentioned now is he?

an no i have never met a talking snake. i and everyone else alive have not seen half the stuff that is said to be able happen according to the bible.

plus Satan is suppose to be evil right? but the snake was doing a good thing by giving us knowledge. so are you saying Satan is a good guy?
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Satan was a very late invention. At that time the Jews were just being absolutely tormented by the Romans. And so they invented a supernatural concept by which their tormentors would themselves eventually be tormented. But if you watch the history unfold Satan is absolutely and invention of man. He's the boogie man... the voice in your head that makes you do bad things... the monster under your bed.
Did Rome happen before or after Job? I'm forgetting my history here.
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Are you saying that you believe in Genesis, but not the rest of the Bible? Different, for sure, but why do I suspect that you don't believe in Genesis either?

Yes, Satan personifies evil. No, the snake (a.k.a. Satan) was not doing a good thing. He pretended to do a good thing, but, you see, that's just the problem with Satan; he's a con man. He was actually tempting people to sin; to rebel against God's will. That's one of the points of the story -don't be gullible for Satanic lies.
don't believe in it, but i can judge right and wrong and read the stories. the fruit contained knowledge, so that the only thing separating us from god/s/ ( he does say us) is eating from the tree of everlasting life.

so is the knowledge that god have bad? what is wrong with making humans rise up and be better?
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Did Rome happen before or after Job? I'm forgetting my history here.
The Adversary of Job is not the same as the Satan of Christianity.
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