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Old 10-12-2012, 11:25   #51
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"Lie" is a pretty strong and hostile word, and on what evidence? None. You sound like an 'extremist', and a deceptive one at that.

Have you ever met a talking snake? Neither have I.
Because snakes don't talk.

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If you did, might you not be ready to believe something supernatural was afoot? Perhaps that Satan had disguised himself as a snake?
Perhaps it never happened.

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The footnote in my KJV Bible re Genesis 3:1 says, "The great deceiver clothed himself as a serpent, as one of God's good creatures. He insinuated a falsehood and portrayed rebellion as clever, but essentially innocent, self-interest. Therefore, "the devil, or Satan", is later referred to as "that old serpent" -Revelations12:9; 20:2."

Well if it says so in the footnotes then it must be true. I didn't realize God used footnotes.
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Old 10-12-2012, 11:28   #52
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But the Bible forewarned of this sort of thing: "If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, Whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest". -Proverbs 29:9
Then that settles it. If the Bible says it then it must be true.
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Old 10-12-2012, 11:42   #53
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Have you ever met a talking snake? Neither have I.

If you did, might you not be ready to believe something supernatural was afoot? Perhaps that Satan had disguised himself as a snake?
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Because snakes don't talk.

Perhaps it never happened.
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Old 10-12-2012, 11:46   #54
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Ok, how can you have a bone to pick against someone you believe doesn't exist? You seem to be bigoted and full of hate. You don't want to silence or censor, but you want to dismantle. Ok...
To be more accurate I have a bone to pick with the concept of God.

Bigoted... mmm... no not really. I know some fine Christians. But it has nothing to do with them being Christian. They're just good people. They'd be just as good were they Muslim or Agnostic. I tend to work on a case by case basis.

But yes... I do want to do everything in my power to dismantle religion and the concept of God. But not by force mind you. Just with reason and logic. I want to help in every way I can to decrease the number of gaps that God hides in.
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"Lie" is a pretty strong and hostile word, and on what evidence? None. You sound like an 'extremist', and a deceptive one at that.

Have you ever met a talking snake? Neither have I.

If you did, might you not be ready to believe something supernatural was afoot? Perhaps that Satan had disguised himself as a snake? The footnote in my KJV Bible re Genesis 3:1 says, "The great deceiver clothed himself as a serpent, as one of God's good creatures. He insinuated a falsehood and portrayed rebellion as clever, but essentially innocent, self-interest. Therefore, "the devil, or Satan", is later referred to as "that old serpent" -Revelations12:9; 20:2."


so no mention of Satan until the Christians came along years latter. how odd and revisionist. no where in genesis is Satan mentioned now is he?

an no i have never met a talking snake. i and everyone else alive have not seen half the stuff that is said to be able happen according to the bible.

plus Satan is suppose to be evil right? but the snake was doing a good thing by giving us knowledge. so are you saying Satan is a good guy?

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so no mention of Satan until the Christians came along years latter. how odd and revisionist. no where in genesis is Satan mentioned now is he?

an no i have never met a talking snake. i and everyone else alive have not seen half the stuff that is said to be able happen according to the bible.

plus Satan is suppose to be evil right? but the snake was doing a good thing by giving us knowledge. so are you saying Satan is a good guy?
Satan was a very late invention. At that time the Jews were just being absolutely tormented by the Romans. And so they invented a supernatural concept by which their tormentors would themselves eventually be tormented. But if you watch the history unfold Satan is absolutely and invention of man. He's the boogie man... the voice in your head that makes you do bad things... the monster under your bed.
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so no mention of Satan until the Christians came along years latter. how odd and revisionist. no where in genesis is Satan mentioned now is he?

an no i have never met a talking snake. i and everyone else alive have not seen half the stuff that is said to be able happen according to the bible.

plus Satan is suppose to be evil right? but the snake was doing a good thing by giving us knowledge. so are you saying Satan is a good guy?
Are you saying that you believe in Genesis, but not the rest of the Bible? Different, for sure, but why do I suspect that you don't believe in Genesis either?

Yes, Satan personifies evil. No, the snake (a.k.a. Satan) was not doing a good thing. He pretended to do a good thing, but, you see, that's just the problem with Satan; he's a con man. He was actually tempting people to sin; to rebel against God's will. That's one of the points of the story -don't be gullible for Satanic lies.
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To be more accurate I have a bone to pick with the concept of God.

Bigoted... mmm... no not really. I know some fine Christians. But it has nothing to do with them being Christian. They're just good people. They'd be just as good were they Muslim or Agnostic. I tend to work on a case by case basis.

But yes... I do want to do everything in my power to dismantle religion and the concept of God. But not by force mind you. Just with reason and logic. I want to help in every way I can to decrease the number of gaps that God hides in.
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so no mention of Satan until the Christians came along years latter. how odd and revisionist. no where in genesis is Satan mentioned now is he?

an no i have never met a talking snake. i and everyone else alive have not seen half the stuff that is said to be able happen according to the bible.

plus Satan is suppose to be evil right? but the snake was doing a good thing by giving us knowledge. so are you saying Satan is a good guy?
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Satan was a very late invention. At that time the Jews were just being absolutely tormented by the Romans. And so they invented a supernatural concept by which their tormentors would themselves eventually be tormented. But if you watch the history unfold Satan is absolutely and invention of man. He's the boogie man... the voice in your head that makes you do bad things... the monster under your bed.
Did Rome happen before or after Job? I'm forgetting my history here.
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Old 10-12-2012, 14:21   #59
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Are you saying that you believe in Genesis, but not the rest of the Bible? Different, for sure, but why do I suspect that you don't believe in Genesis either?

Yes, Satan personifies evil. No, the snake (a.k.a. Satan) was not doing a good thing. He pretended to do a good thing, but, you see, that's just the problem with Satan; he's a con man. He was actually tempting people to sin; to rebel against God's will. That's one of the points of the story -don't be gullible for Satanic lies.
don't believe in it, but i can judge right and wrong and read the stories. the fruit contained knowledge, so that the only thing separating us from god/s/ ( he does say us) is eating from the tree of everlasting life.

so is the knowledge that god have bad? what is wrong with making humans rise up and be better?
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Did Rome happen before or after Job? I'm forgetting my history here.
The Adversary of Job is not the same as the Satan of Christianity.
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:07   #61
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No hate at all. It's kind of like telling your children there is no Santa. Eventually they just need to grow up and hear it.


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Do you actually read the Bible? God sent Satan (In this book he's the prosecutor... not the oppressor) to test Job's faith. This was not the prince of darkness and Lord of the Pit. This was one of God's council. Like I said... "The Devil" was invented much later.

As a Christian I was taught to look at Job as a lesson to not question God. Even if things in my life were bad, who was I to question the will of the all mighty. But if you really read Job you see God doesn't care at all about people. We're just his play things. He'll grind up a devout man just to prove a point. And this all knowing God was actually kinda shown up by Satan. Satan WAS able to break Job.

And what does it even mean to say "Did Rome Happen?" That's like asking did New York happen? What does that mean?

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No hate at all. It's kind of like telling your children there is no Santa.
C'mon man, you can't just blurt out something like that without *SPOILER ALERT*.

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The Adversary of Job is not the same as the Satan of Christianity.
What evidence do you have for this?
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Did Rome happen before or after Job? I'm forgetting my history here.
Rome happened after Job.

Job 19:24 mentions an "iron pen". Iron did not come into common use in the ancient Near East until the 12th century B.C. (according to a footnote in my KJV Bible). It is believed that the unknown Israelite author of the Book of Job lived sometime between the reign of Solomon (circa 1000 B.C.) and the exile (began around 605 B.C.). The subject of the book, the man Job, seems to have been a non-Israelite sage (Job 1:1 says he was "a man in the land of Uz...who feared God and eschewed evil"). He seems to have lived between 2000 and 1000 B.C., likely late in that millennium, due to the iron pen reference.

Rome started rising from being just an Italian hill town around 500 B.C., to become the (known) world power. Herod, heir to the Judean royal line of the Idumaean Antipater, became a Roman citizen in 47 B.C. He was nominated to be king of Judea by the Roman, Marcus Antonius, in 40 B.C., but was unable to take power until Roman troops drove a Parthian invasion force out of Jerusalem. He was King of Judea from 37 B.C. onwards. He was brutal (he had a highly effective secret police), but also a subtle diplomat, keeping his subjects quiet and his Roman allies satisfied. He was also a builder -he restored the Temple in Jerusalem and created several new cities (I got this information from a history book).
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What evidence do you have for this?
God speaks to Satan as one of his own in Job. Not only that he grants Satan permission to act against Job. Satan is clearly the servant of God in Job. When does the "Devil" ask for permission for anything? The Devil works against God, always trying to undermine his plan. Satan was one of God's prosecutors. His purpose was to test the faith of men at God's will.
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(I got this information from a history book).
LOL, you say that as if you admit it's a better source of information than the Bible.
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C'mon man, you can't just blurt out something like that without *SPOILER ALERT*.

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Leftist dhimmis sure do project a lot around here. They lie in support of their Islam, which teaches takiyya (lying)

But the Bible forewarned of this sort of thing: "If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, Whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest". -Proverbs 29:9 Try giving it a rest.
Try showing an example of sharia law in Dearborn to support your lie, or admit you lied. You keep avoiding such a simple request.

You'd rather be seen as a liar rather than prove someone who accuses you of lying is wrong?

Sounds just like a liar who has neither shame nor any other alternative but to change the subject and hope nobody notices.

Do you find antihistamines are effective in combatting your allergy to the truth?

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Ok, how can you have a bone to pick against someone you believe doesn't exist? You seem to be bigoted and full of hate. You don't want to silence or censor, but you want to dismantle. Ok...
Kind of like you Christians are so fond of going to third world countries and getting other people to abandon the various forms of nonsensical superstitious beliefs they believe in, i.e. their heathen religions, for Christianity.

It's just hard for you to accept when the shoe's on the other foot.

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When the atheists have to stop arguing with the intolerant christians, they can take up the battle with the tolerant muslims.

I have no problems with any religion, including atheism, as long as they are peaceful and largely Don't want to hurt others or suppress others. Freedom is cool, but somewhat problematic, deal with it.
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What evidence do you have for this?
Reading the Book of Job. The Adversary isn't a fallen angel, isn't rebelling against God, and doesn't inhabit Hell. All characteristics of the Christian Devil, who later became identified with Satan.
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Just ignore him, he's like a teenage girl begging for attention.
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The Adversary isn't a fallen angel, isn't rebelling against God, and doesn't inhabit Hell.
Just like your Bill Clinton didn't inhale and didn't have sex with that woman.

The great adversary can't contend with God hand to hand, so he tries to frustrate God's enterprise by alienating man from God. He, like you libs, accuses God (Satan means "accuser") to try to drive a wedge between God and man.

By the end of the Book of Job, the adversary is silenced and Job regrets his hasty speech. His heavenly friend, God, hears Job's intercessions for his friends, and restores Job's beatitude.

You may think you have good intentions with your anti-Christian rhetoric. But roads paved with good intentions don't always take you where you want to go.
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