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Old 10-18-2012, 19:06   #126
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Took my fixed (Glock replaced the ejector) Gen417 to the range today for the second outing since it was replaced. Round count now 2050 rounds.

After a couple of boxes of WWB I started shooting blazer brass. Out of the blue after nearly 500 trouble free rounds since the ejector replacement, the brass to the face started. It wasn't every couple of rounds, it was EVERY round hitting me in the forehead and face. It got so bad I had to stop shooting.

The damn thing even fed Federal Champion last range session. I am very frustrated.
Which extractor do you have? They installed the 30274 ejector?
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Old 10-18-2012, 19:36   #127
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Which extractor do you have? They installed the 30274 ejector?
I had a 336 and they installed a 30274. They did not change out the extractor and I still have the DIP.

For the life of me I can't figure out why it would run fine for 500 rounds after the ejector switch and then start acting up again.

I didn't get any stove pipes today but the last box of Blazer Brass had almost every single casing peen me in the head out of 50 rounds. I was literally ducking after about 10 rounds, a couple hit me in the shooting glasses.

The gun was very hot and I am wondering if heat adds to the problem.

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Old 10-19-2012, 06:49   #128
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I had a 336 and they installed a 30274. They did not change out the extractor and I still have the DIP.

For the life of me I can't figure out why it would run fine for 500 rounds after the ejector switch and then start acting up again.

I didn't get any stove pipes today but the last box of Blazer Brass had almost every single casing peen me in the head out of 50 rounds. I was literally ducking after about 10 rounds, a couple hit me in the shooting glasses.

The gun was very hot and I am wondering if heat adds to the problem.
Try the non dip extractor, Glockparts.com has it. It did the trick for my gun so far.....
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:37   #129
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Try the non dip extractor, Glockparts.com has it. It did the trick for my gun so far.....
They have already worked on it so I am going to let them fix it. I have a feeling that is what they will replace. Just a little confused why they didn't do that when they replaced the ejector.
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Old 10-19-2012, 13:15   #130
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Just saw this thread and thought I would add my 2 cents. I purchased a brand new Gen III 21SF three weeks ago and took it to the range and shot a wide variety of ammo. I lost count after 30 to the face. The one thing I found odd was that all the brass was scorched and I mean really burnt on one side of the casing. I showed it to my armorer and he was thinking the casings were not sitting properly in the barrel. Sent it back to Glock at the begining of the month and called to find out the status of the pistol. I was told the pistol could not be fixed and I was being sent a new 21SF.

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Old 10-19-2012, 13:50   #131
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They have already worked on it so I am going to let them fix it. I have a feeling that is what they will replace. Just a little confused why they didn't do that when they replaced the ejector.
Glock sent me a "dipped" extractor as a replacement that did nothing for me. I ordered the non dipped part through Glockparts.com

Just trying to help you out as I went down the road you're on already.

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Old 10-19-2012, 14:42   #132
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Just saw this thread and thought I would add my 2 cents. I purchased a brand new Gen III 21SF three weeks ago and took it to the range and shot a wide variety of ammo. I lost count after 30 to the face. The one thing I found odd was that all the brass was scorched and I mean really burnt on one side of the casing. I showed it to my armorer and he was thinking the casings were not sitting properly in the barrel. Sent it back to Glock at the begining of the month and called to find out the status of the pistol. I was told the pistol could not be fixed and I was being sent a new 21SF.


I'm having a similar situation with my brand new 17. Brass flying straight back but also a feed issue. your post about the scorched casings reminded me that mine also appeared bunt on on side.

Here is a pic of my feed problem:
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Old 10-19-2012, 17:26   #133
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I'm having a similar situation with my brand new 17. Brass flying straight back but also a feed issue. your post about the scorched casings reminded me that mine also appeared bunt on on side.

Here is a pic of my feed problem:
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Gen 3 or Gen 4? If its a Gen 4, my money is on the RSA.
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Old 10-19-2012, 17:59   #134
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...I lost count after 30 to the face. The one thing I found odd was that all the brass was scorched and I mean really burnt on one side of the casing. I showed it to my armorer and he was thinking the casings were not sitting properly in the barrel. Sent it back to Glock at the begining of the month and called to find out the status of the pistol. I was told the pistol could not be fixed and I was being sent a new 21SF.


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I'm having a similar situation with my brand new 17. Brass flying straight back but also a feed issue. your post about the scorched casings reminded me that mine also appeared bunt on on side...

Smoked casings are caused by a light load that does not obturate the brass in the chamber completely. Commonplace with crappy range ammo. If you're getting brass to the face you need to improve your grip & shooting style & perhaps use better ammo. If you care to waste your time then wade through the ignorant threads on "BTF" posted by people who are either totally incompetent with a handgun or merely some FNG with little proper training.

With all due respect fellas, now knowing what causes cases to be "smoked" shows to me that you are not seasoned shooters. Go take a lesson from someone who is and you will be another in the millions of happy & satisfied Glock users.
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Old 10-19-2012, 18:06   #135
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Gen 3 or Gen 4? If its a Gen 4, my money is on the RSA.
It's a Gen 3
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Old 10-19-2012, 18:10   #136
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Gen 3 or Gen 4? If its a Gen 4, my money is on the RSA.
Also I'm not limp wristing, the gun had the same issue when I had the range officer try it as we'll as an off duty police officer.
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Old 10-19-2012, 20:27   #137
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Smoked casings are caused by a light load that does not obturate the brass in the chamber completely. Commonplace with crappy range ammo. If you're getting brass to the face you need to improve your grip & shooting style & perhaps use better ammo. If you care to waste your time then wade through the ignorant threads on "BTF" posted by people who are either totally incompetent with a handgun or merely some FNG with little proper training.

With all due respect fellas, now knowing what causes cases to be "smoked" shows to me that you are not seasoned shooters. Go take a lesson from someone who is and you will be another in the millions of happy & satisfied Glock users.
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Old 10-20-2012, 06:30   #138
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Smoked casings are caused by a light load that does not obturate the brass in the chamber completely. Commonplace with crappy range ammo. If you're getting brass to the face you need to improve your grip & shooting style & perhaps use better ammo. If you care to waste your time then wade through the ignorant threads on "BTF" posted by people who are either totally incompetent with a handgun or merely some FNG with little proper training.

With all due respect fellas, now knowing what causes cases to be "smoked" shows to me that you are not seasoned shooters. Go take a lesson from someone who is and you will be another in the millions of happy & satisfied Glock users.
Gee thanks for the unwanted input there buddy. Limp wristing? I guess the armorer at glock are limp wristing as well huh? They deemed the pistol unsafe and they are replacing it. As towards the brass, your right I don't know squat about the nomenclature of the round nor do I care to, I had just never seen brass scorched like that from any of my other glocks. Not going to try to plead or impress anyone with how long or how much I have been shooting. Thanks for the advice though

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Old 10-20-2012, 12:25   #139
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I'm sorry I have reason to post in this thread, but here goes.

My 1 week old G19, Gen 3, TTLxxx, August 30, 2012, new style non dip extractor, has the BTF bug. I've got 250 rounds through her and get BTF about 5% if the time. It's all been shot indoors. Had the wifey spot for me the last 70 rounds. It's the real deal, not cases bouncing off of the range partitions.

Anyway, swapped the extractor, load bearing and spring, and safety plunger and spring with my 2005 G17. I'll report back with the results Saturday.

Scratch the above idea, just ordered a Gen 4 30274 ejector to try. Will report back after the range test.
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Haven't received the 30274 ejector that I ordered 2 days ago, so took the Gen 3 19, TTL***, to the range with the load bearing / spring, safety plunger / spring, extractor from my 2005 G17.

After 100 rounds, 50 Blazer aluminum and 50 Win NATO, I had no BTF and all cases ejected to the right. Next is to add the original load bearing / spring back. I think it's the original non-dipped extractor causing BTF's. Testing will tell.
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Old 10-20-2012, 14:19   #140
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Took my fixed (Glock replaced the ejector) Gen417 to the range today for the second outing since it was replaced. Round count now 2050 rounds.

After a couple of boxes of WWB I started shooting blazer brass. Out of the blue after nearly 500 trouble free rounds since the ejector replacement, the brass to the face started. It wasn't every couple of rounds, it was EVERY round hitting me in the forehead and face. It got so bad I had to stop shooting.

The damn thing even fed Federal Champion last range session. I am very frustrated.
this is what pisses me off to no end......

you spend $$$$$$ on your gun/ammo and it starts with BTF, you send it off to get it "fixed", spend more $$$$$$$$$$ on ammo only to find out after ANOTHER 500 rounds its doing the same damn thing........

do what i did, sell that POS and buy a XD, MP, Sig, Beretta, or whatever and quit spending money on these damn glocks.....

you will be a lot happier, at least i am!!!!!
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Old 10-20-2012, 14:28   #141
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I just realized I performed 1 other item before this last BTF test.

Round count was at 200 and I detail cleaned the grooves in the slide where the slide rails travel. I didn't care if I removed any copper lube, I just wanted them spotless. Needless to say, a lot of black came off on the cleaning patch.

I wonder if it was buildup from the new top finish Glock is using on the slides. Could that be slowing the slides down enough for BTF?

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Old 10-20-2012, 14:28   #142
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this is what pisses me off to no end......

you spend $$$$$$ on your gun/ammo and it starts with BTF, you send it off to get it "fixed", spend more $$$$$$$$$$ on ammo only to find out after ANOTHER 500 rounds its doing the same damn thing........

do what i did, sell that POS and buy a XD, MP, Sig, Beretta, or whatever and quit spending money on these damn glocks.....

you will be a lot happier, at least i am!!!!!
Just wondering, If you don't own or shoot a GLOCK, why do you even post on this forum ?
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this is what pisses me off to no end......

you spend $$$$$$ on your gun/ammo and it starts with BTF, you send it off to get it "fixed", spend more $$$$$$$$$$ on ammo only to find out after ANOTHER 500 rounds its doing the same damn thing........

do what i did, sell that POS and buy a XD, MP, Sig, Beretta, or whatever and quit spending money on these damn glocks.....

you will be a lot happier, at least i am!!!!!
I will always be a Glock fan, I own gen3's that run like a fine watch. I am going to stay with this till it is fixed or replaced. Principle, and I like the Gen4 Grip now that I am getting used to it.
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Old 10-20-2012, 14:37   #144
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Smoked casings are caused by a light load that does not obturate the brass in the chamber completely. Commonplace with crappy range ammo. If you're getting brass to the face you need to improve your grip & shooting style & perhaps use better ammo. If you care to waste your time then wade through the ignorant threads on "BTF" posted by people who are either totally incompetent with a handgun or merely some FNG with little proper training.

With all due respect fellas, now knowing what causes cases to be "smoked" shows to me that you are not seasoned shooters. Go take a lesson from someone who is and you will be another in the millions of happy & satisfied Glock users.

Since one of the members made me aware of the ignore list option, it's made my visits here so much more enjoyable.
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Old 10-20-2012, 15:04   #145
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Glock sent me a "dipped" extractor as a replacement that did nothing for me. I ordered the non dipped part through Glockparts.com

Just trying to help you out as I went down the road you're on already.

Good luck.
what is the difference between a dipped extratcor and a non dipped extractor? how do you tell the difference on the glockparts inventory? thanks
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Old 10-20-2012, 17:17   #146
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...l. I was told the pistol could not be fixed and I was being sent a new 21SF.
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Smoked casings are caused by a light load that does not obturate the brass in the chamber completely. Commonplace with crappy range ammo. If you're getting brass to the face you need to improve your grip & shooting style & perhaps use better ammo. If you care to waste your time then wade through the ignorant threads on "BTF" posted by people who are either totally incompetent with a handgun or merely some FNG with little proper training.

With all due respect fellas, now knowing what causes cases to be "smoked" shows to me that you are not seasoned shooters. Go take a lesson from someone who is and you will be another in the millions of happy & satisfied Glock users.
And you even quoted his post in your reply. I own a few Glocks and some other guns too so I am glad I do not have to be so blindly loyal that I refuse to admit there might actually be an issue now and then that is neither shooter nor ammunition related. Out of curiosity why do you suppose Glock elected to replace the gun?
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:30   #147
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I wonder: Has anyone gone in and looked at measurements and angles of the frame, slide, barrel, etc. with a gunsmith / engineer's eye? We often hear talk about that with 1911s, etc. but here we seem to have solely concentrated on replacement of small parts. What I mean is, is there the possibility that newer Glocks are somehow "out of spec" in some critical area (or areas) and nothing we do with small parts will truly solve the problem?
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There have been some suggestions that there might be a sporadic issue with the slide. And one does have to wonder why would Glock need to replace an entire gun as opposed to put a new extractor or a new spring or a new whatever in it.
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It just really seems to me that there are far too many complaints for this to be simply a small part issue. Sure, they may contribute, but by now enough users have made enough replacements without solving the problem that I believe it must be deeper. Rather than blindly defend Glock's old reputation, and flame users for supposed grip or ammo failings, we should look at the real mechanical issue. I too have older Glocks that I cannot make malfunction, even with crap ammo, filth, or by holding the gun upside down with only thumb and trigger finger. Something must be out of whack - call it tolerance stacking, bad QC, worn out dies, etc. Replacing an extractor or prescribing certain ammo is like telling you to get softer tissues when you have the flu to cure your chafed nose.
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Range Report 10/20/2012

Haven't received the 30274 ejector that I ordered 2 days ago, so took the Gen 3 19, TTL***, to the range with the load bearing / spring, safety plunger / spring, extractor from my 2005 G17.

After 100 rounds, 50 Blazer aluminum and 50 Win NATO, I had no BTF and all cases ejected to the right. Next is to add the original load bearing / spring back. I think it's the original non-dipped extractor causing BTF's. Testing will tell.
Range Report 10/21/2012

Put another 100 rounds of Blazer Brass 115's through the Gen 3 19 today. All performed flawlessly. Test was a litte different today. I shot the first 5 rounds, a brand new shooter fired the last 95. I have 12 of those shots on video.

YES, I KNOW HE ALMOST TOOK HIS OFF HAND THUMB OFF. THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED


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