357SIG proving to be an unbelievable manstopper??? - Page 26

SCmasterblaster · 10-12-2012, 14:07

This thread is getting complicated.

cowboy1964 · 10-12-2012, 14:26

I think my S&W 642 firing standard pressure .38 Special is louder than any pistol I have, including .357 Sig. Maybe not but that's the impression I get, maybe it's just the blast.

SCmasterblaster · 10-12-2012, 14:30

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964

I think my S&W 642 firing standard pressure .38 Special is louder than any pistol I have, including .357 Sig. Maybe not but that's the impression I get, maybe it's just the blast.

About the snubbie being the loudest. The powder charge burns outside the barrel, mostly.

PrecisionRifleman · 10-21-2012, 14:05

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Originally Posted by SDGlock23

I would say it is certainly a good man stopper, as long as the bullet goes where it's supposed to. But looking at it that way, so is the 9mm, 40 and 45. Otherwise, I don't think it's stands above anything else available.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

clarkstoncz · 10-21-2012, 20:29

Funny how the FBI spent millions to get a better round than the 147 gr. 9 mm,
and went to the 10mm, then the weaker FBI loads.

That they now carry .40s but the best caliber is a lighter weight ( 125) Magnumized version of the 9mm. Plenty of stopping power and tactical penetration, even if
most data is from full sized duty guns.

The .357 SIG is both interesting and very authoritative!

PrecisionRifleman · 10-21-2012, 22:10

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Originally Posted by clarkstoncz

Funny how the FBI spent millions to get a better round than the 147 gr. 9 mm,
and went to the 10mm, then the weaker FBI loads.

That they now carry .40s but the best caliber is a lighter weight ( 125) Magnumized version of the 9mm. Plenty of stopping power and tactical penetration, even if
most data is from full sized duty guns.

The .357 SIG is both interesting and very authoritative!

I seriously doubt a hot 125gr 357 sig @1400fps is going to make any difference over a 155gr 40S&W @1300fps. I'll take a larger, heavier bullet going fast over a smaller/lighter bullet going a little faster. Really if anything its a wash, but the 40 is more versatile in loads and bullet weights. What evidence do you have showing the 357 sig as being any better?

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clarkstoncz · 10-22-2012, 08:53

Texas and other depts could switch to the .40 but they don't.

The .357 SIG offers this over the Forty:

Lower recoil.

Improved accuracy

superior tactical penetration.

Superior Stopping Power with most loads than any other common police
calibers.

Or at least us .357 owners think so.

SCmasterblaster · 10-22-2012, 10:15

just how many police departments use the .357 Sig?

***Chuck TX*** · 10-24-2012, 21:09

Who is still making 357sig models besides Sig and Glock?

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster

just how many police departments use the .357 Sig?

~20 or so agencies seem to have it as the issued caliber. Many seem to be Highway Patrol who were nostalgic for the .357Mag. Guess they couldn't handle the 10mm.

Trigger Finger · 10-24-2012, 23:11

I like the 357 Sig, but prefer the 40 cal. I think they are about equal in performance on self defense issues. And those are about 15 yards and less 99% of the time!!! Longer then about 25 or 30 yards and the 357 Sig might have a slight advantage and shooting through barriers of different kinds.

I prefer the 45 ACP and Super over both. Even over the 10mm .

But PghJim stated quite away back that "No round is perfect but I think even comparing it to a +p+ 9 would be rediculous."
How is comparing a 357 Sig to a 9MM +P+ ridiculous? Isn't that just what a 357 Sig is!! A 9MM +P+, or a very little more then that. A very fast 9MM. Yes, that is very good but that's all it is.

OK, the 357 Sig is about exactly like a 9MM +P++. Comparable to a 9mm +P+. But with a very close 9MM+P+ you can hold more rounds of ammo.

uz2bUSMC · 10-25-2012, 05:52

I don't think you're going to find a 9+p+ with over 600ft lbs.

dpadams6 · 10-25-2012, 06:26

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Originally Posted by Trigger Finger

I like the 357 Sig, but prefer the 40 cal. I think they are about equal in performance on self defense issues. And those are about 15 yards and less 99% of the time!!! Longer then about 25 or 30 yards and the 357 Sig might have a slight advantage and shooting through barriers of different kinds.

I prefer the 45 ACP and Super over both. Even over the 10mm .

But PghJim stated quite away back that "No round is perfect but I think even comparing it to a +p+ 9 would be rediculous."
How is comparing a 357 Sig to a 9MM +P+ ridiculous? Isn't that just what a 357 Sig is!! A 9MM +P+, or a very little more then that. A very fast 9MM. Yes, that is very good but that's all it is.

OK, the 357 Sig is about exactly like a 9MM +P++. Comparable to a 9mm +P+. But with a very close 9MM+P+ you can hold more rounds of ammo.

Same comparison would be 38 v. 357mag. We all no which one is superior. Same with 9mm v. 357sig.

Trigger Finger · 10-25-2012, 14:13

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Originally Posted by dpadams6

Same comparison would be 38 v. 357mag. We all no which one is superior. Same with 9mm v. 357sig.

There is no doubt that the 357 Sig is superior to the 9MM +P+. I did not mean to infer otherwise!!

It's just that I don't think it is the great panacea that some are calling it. And I have never heard it called an "unbelievable man stopper".

SCmasterblaster · 10-25-2012, 18:26

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Originally Posted by glock20c10mm

No, most people know the 10mm Auto is the equivelant to the "instant death ray".

357SIG can't touch it.

Odd, I have never thought to make the comparison. But you are correct about a full-powered 10 mm being a death ray.

dpadams6 · 10-25-2012, 21:14

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Originally Posted by Trigger Finger

There is no doubt that the 357 Sig is superior to the 9MM +P+. I did not mean to infer otherwise!!

It's just that I don't think it is the great panacea that some are calling it. And I have never heard it called an "unbelievable man stopper".

I think its the best all around handgun self defense round on the planet. We carried the 9mm back in the day for my first 5years. Were very unpleased by performance in a few shootings. Granted, that was 15-20 years ago and ammo has improved quite a bit since then. We switched to the 357 sig in around 1997 and have had close to 10-12 shootings with it. Mostly with gold dot and a few with hst. We are very pleased. I also think the 40 is a fantastic self defense round as well. Just feel the 357sig is slightly better. Especially if you have to shoot thru car doors/windshields.

Ruggles · 10-25-2012, 21:46

I think the .357 Sig outperforms the 9mm in any of it's + formats, regardless of how many of those +s you tack onto the 9mm.

clarkstoncz · 10-25-2012, 22:18

Yes, few Handgunners can find or buy 9mm+P+, but .357 SIG can be found online or in most
shops.

Most 9mms were never made for +P+ but the .357 SIG ( at least the Glocks)
are .40 caliber rated guns with the 3 pins that Glock went to after the CHP
trials.

.357 SIG guns do wear out faster but I don't shoot that much these days..
as I once did with my agency(s) paying for ammo.

Granted it was 9mm+P and .357 Magnum back then.

I truly wish that :

A. Gen 4 Glock 33s were more available.

B. CZ would offer .357 SIG guns to us.
They have been playing around with for a few years now.

SCmasterblaster · 10-26-2012, 09:02

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Originally Posted by Chuck TX

Who is still making 357sig models besides Sig and Glock?

~20 or so agencies seem to have it as the issued caliber. Many seem to be Highway Patrol who were nostalgic for the .357Mag. Guess they couldn't handle the 10mm.

This brings up a related thought. I wonder how well the .357 Sig does on engine blocks?

dkf · 10-26-2012, 10:21

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster

This brings up a related thought. I wonder how well the .357 Sig does on engine blocks?

For that......Grab the .50bmg and leave the handguns at home.

SCmasterblaster · 10-26-2012, 11:24

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Originally Posted by dkf

For that......Grab the .50bmg and leave the handguns at home.

HehHehHehHeh. That's right. A .50 BMG!

Frank V · 10-31-2012, 21:11

Heck just get a G22 or G23, add Lone Wolf bbls in 9mm & .357 Sig???

The best of all worlds!

Ok nobody shoot!

Frank

SCmasterblaster · 11-01-2012, 13:29

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Originally Posted by Frank V

Heck just get a G22 or G23, add Lone Wolf bbls in 9mm & .357 Sig???

The best of all worlds!

Ok nobody shoot!

Frank

is a good idea!

clarkstoncz · 12-08-2012, 09:19

I thunk the 147 is very interested in .357 SIG.

Givs one somehting that you Usually don't see with the 147..that being over
1,000 fps in most guns.

The DT 147 Bonded Defense looks to be a neat addition to the BD line that
uses Gold Dot bullets.

Proven Gold Dot performance at enhanced velocity over what what you will find in a
147 grain 9mm load.

The 147s also seem to produce less flash and felt blast/recoil than the hotter
125 and 115 gr. loads, esp. out of the Glock 33.

This Bonded Defense load should be no different.

SCmasterblaster · 12-08-2012, 09:31

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Originally Posted by uz2bUSMC

I don't think you're going to find a 9+p+ with over 600ft lbs.

I get just over 500 FPE with my G17 firing WW 115gr JHP +p+.

9mm +p+ · 12-08-2012, 11:49

What a truly stupid thread, Not the OP's original question but all of the juvenile bickering over nothing. And praise for a man who is a so called "expert" but does nothing but push what is already known and yet folks just worship this guy. A 300gr XTP is the ultimate 44 mag SD load you know, yeah right. My wang is bigger than yours, really? Carry what you want, i happen to like the 357 SIG, is it better than rd X? Depends, all that really matters is that you can shoot it accurately under stress. Be it a 9 or 357 or 40/45, they all work, if you do your part.