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Old 10-29-2012, 12:51   #51
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What does his party have to lose? I doubt much of his voter base is pro gun.
That must be why they passed that AWB everybody was predicting when they had control after 2008.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:52   #52
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That must be why they passed that AWB everybody was predicting when they had control after 2008.
Obama had the next election to think about in '08.
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Obama had the next election to think about in '08.


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What does his party have to lose? I doubt much of his voter base is pro gun.
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No worry.
Why would he care about his party after he can no longer be re-elected? I'm talking about the actions of a sole man here. Party be damned as long as he gets his agenda through.

For whatever reason, some gun owners are undecided in this election, thus the delay in gun legislation. The plans for a new ban came straight from the jackass' mouth in the second debate. Did you miss that?
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Old 10-29-2012, 13:07   #55
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Why would he care about his party after he can no longer be re-elected?
Because that's the way it is.

Because he owes favors.

Because he wants favors to come his way in the future.


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I'm talking about the actions of a sole man here.
But you said it would take the Supreme Court, including a new justice, which would have to go past the Senate first, amiright?
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Because that's the way it is.

Because he owes favors.

Because he wants favors to come his way in the future.




But you said it would take the Supreme Court, including a new justice, which would have to go past the Senate first, amiright?
Which is all linked back to... you guessed it, the actions of a sole man. He who stacks the court, makes the rules. As I said earlier, he'll have no problem getting another dirtbag justice past the senate. You left out the part in quoting one of my previous posts about Kagan and Sotomayor so I'll say it again. If he can get these 2 in, what makes you think he can't put another one in that is just as bad or worse? The only domino not in place is the justice.
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Which is all linked back to... you guessed it, the actions of a sole man. He who stacks the court, makes the rules. As I said earlier, he'll have no problem getting another dirtbag justice past the senate. You left out the part in quoting one of my previous posts about Kagan and Sotomayor so I'll say it again. If he can get these 2 in, what makes you think he can't put another one in that is just as bad or worse?
These...they do not seem to agree.

No matter how you look at it, it would take more than one single person.

I haven't yet heard anything as convincing for post-'12 as I heard for post-'08, and we know what (didn't) happen after that
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But you said it would take the Supreme Court, including a new justice, which would have to go past the Senate first, amiright?
Look at the last few justices that have gotten past the Senate. And the Republicans ain't gonna take the Senate in '12, despite what Dick Morris says.

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Look at the last few justices that have gotten past the Senate.
Not promising, I'll admit.
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Look at the last few justices that have gotten past the Senate.
He's ignoring that little jewel of history.
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He's ignoring that little jewel of history.
Would you like to make some kind of little friendly wager on this ? Perhaps focus it on "high capacity" magazines?

If there is a restriction/ban on "high capacity" magazines, assuming a grandfather clause as has been the case in the past, I'll ship you a full capacity 9mm Glock magazine (G19/G17), or AR15 magazine (30 round PMAG).

If there isn't, after say 1 year, you ship me two of the above.

(2:1 since value obvious skyrockets if no new ones can be made/sold)
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Why?

And why do you not move?
I agree that there will be no ban.

I happen to love where I live and don't need a huge arsenal to feel confident.

Regarding evacuating, consider how many people are affected by hurricane Sandy. How many firearms and ammunition are going to nearly useless from salt water flooding?

Do as you wish. I've been thru it and know better.
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I agree that there will be no ban.

I happen to love where I live and don't need a huge arsenal to feel confident.

Regarding evacuating, consider how many people are affected by hurricane Sandy. How many firearms and ammunition are going to nearly useless from salt water flooding?

Do as you wish. I've been thru it and know better.
Very few?
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Would you like to make some kind of little friendly wager on this ? Perhaps focus it on "high capacity" magazines?

If there is a restriction/ban on "high capacity" magazines, assuming a grandfather clause as has been the case in the past, I'll ship you a full capacity 9mm Glock magazine (G19/G17), or AR15 magazine (30 round PMAG).

If there isn't, after say 1 year, you ship me two of the above.

(2:1 since value obvious skyrockets if no new ones can be made/sold)
I can't take that bet because it likely wont happen in a year's time. If/when it does happen, Obama may no longer be in office, but his justices will.
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I can't take that bet because it likely wont happen in a year's time. If/when it does happen, Obama may no longer be in office, but his justices will.
Wow.

Why the sudden 180 in your position?
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Obama getting something passed through the house/senate is not something that would happen at this time. However, who's to say that he doesn't sign an executive order that could take god knows how long to fight in court.

Also, like i said before along with others. Magazines and Lowers. You can buy a couple LPKs and do it yourself it's really not that hard.

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If it looks like 0 might get back in you ain't going to find stripped lowers, LPKs, or mags in-stock very easily.
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Wow.

Why the sudden 180 in your position?
No change in opinion here, I never said it would happen within a year, though it damn sure could. I still believe it will happen, I'm just not sure when. The fruits of Obama's second term (if elected) will be drilling the USA in the ass for years to come.


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That must be why they passed that AWB everybody was predicting when they had control after 2008.
exactly..

guns are a hot button topic and most elected officals are not willing to loose several hundred thousand votes locally and millions of votes nationally in order to placate a fringe group of anti's. They have already learned that lesson last time around.

folks, you can quite worrying about some UN treaty effecting our Constitution. Nobody is going to raise their hand to vote affirmative on that one. There were so many red lines drawn by the USA last time, that it made it impossible to include us.
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Very few?
no, most would be. salt water is very corrosive. I live on the coast and everything I own needs constant maintenence. most metals left immersed in salt water will corrode fairly quickly.
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no, most would be.
I don't think most firearms will be underwater.
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Looking at the photos of the flooding unless they are in the attic, they are under water!
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There is an overlooked aspect of the "one more vote" fear. The two judges most likely to be replaced in the next presidential term are part of the MINORITY opinions on Heller and McDonald. Replacing THEM would not shift the decisions. The third most likely, Scalia, would shift the court if he were replaced by a leftist judge. The current president, if reelected, is still limited in capacity to damage RKBA.

You can razz your leftwing friends with this: Roberts and Alito are part of the cost of Bill Clinton costing Gore the 2000 election. If the left hates guns in civilian hands, THEIR president made those two court decisions happen.
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Looking at the photos of the flooding unless they are in the attic, they are under water!
If you can't move your firearms with days of advance notice, and you live right next to the coast...too bad so sad, maybe you'll learn from your mistake.
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There is an overlooked aspect of the "one more vote" fear. The two judges most likely to be replaced in the next presidential term are part of the MINORITY opinions on Heller and McDonald. Replacing THEM would not shift the decisions. The third most likely, Scalia, would shift the court if he were replaced by a leftist judge. The current president, if reelected, is still limited in capacity to damage RKBA.

You can razz your leftwing friends with this: Roberts and Alito are part of the cost of Bill Clinton costing Gore the 2000 election. If the left hates guns in civilian hands, THEIR president made those two court decisions happen.
You are correct, it wouldn't **** the decision if Ginsberg or Breyer were replaced by a liberal but it would extend their legacy, or maybe worse.

Just imagine being able to replace Ginsberg or Breyer with a conservative 35year old justice. Oh what a glorious day. If something happened to Scalia, we'd be screwed.

It would also be nice to have another pro gun justice on the court (6-3) with a loose cannon like Roberts, who might change his mind on the issue tomorrow.


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