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Old 11-07-2012, 19:37   #26
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There will only be a recession if the Republicans continue to dig their heels in. We have to raise taxes. The question is whose.
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Old 11-07-2012, 19:47   #27
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There will only be a recession if the Republicans continue to dig their heels in. We have to raise taxes. The question is whose.
wouldnt cutting spenditures be a lot more prudent?
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Old 11-07-2012, 19:51   #28
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There will only be a recession if the Republicans continue to dig their heels in. We have to raise taxes. The question is whose.
Well, since you support Obama, I hope you and the rest who do volunteer first.

Or, would you prefer theft from others first?
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Old 11-07-2012, 19:52   #29
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wouldnt cutting spenditures be a lot more prudent?
It will take both. One dollar of tax increases for ten dollars of spending cuts sounds reasonable to me.
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Old 11-07-2012, 19:52   #30
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Do you know what year the US stopped being the world's largest manufacturing country?
Never, but what does that have to do with the conversation. Sheesh!!
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Old 11-07-2012, 19:52   #31
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There will only be a recession if the Republicans continue to dig their heels in. We have to raise taxes. The question is whose.
Even if we raise taxes on every income in the country, we don't even begin to come close to fixing the economy. We have to cut spending. Raising taxes won't work.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:00   #32
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Yep, the day after Obama's re-election defense industry giants and suppliers are starting to give America the bad news the Obama Media refused to report.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.
And alot of us will be walking around with a big smirk on our face - you elected him - you deserve it!!
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:03   #33
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Even if we raise taxes on every income in the country, we don't even begin to come close to fixing the economy. We have to cut spending. Raising taxes won't work.
this country spends a bit over 500 billion a year on national defense/security but over 700 billion a year on welfare (not counting social security or medicare). i see where 200 billion a year should be cut immediately.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:43   #34
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O has 9 lives. Things will probably get better and he will benefit from it all.

Its already been said, hopefully the fools will get what they voted for.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:45   #35
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Do you know what year the US stopped being the world's largest manufacturing country?
Trick question.
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There will only be a recession if the Republicans continue to dig their heels in. We have to raise taxes. The question is whose.
Of course we all know it isn't YOUR taxes that will get raised.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:50   #37
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There will only be a recession if the Republicans continue to dig their heels in. We have to raise taxes. The question is whose.
What will raising taxes do to prevent a recession or depression?
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:57   #38
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It's official. We are Europe.
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Old 11-07-2012, 22:44   #39
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Anybody who believes that an increase in taxes will be used to balance the budget hasn't been paying attention. It will all go to new spending.
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About damn time. Do we all get 6 weeks mandatory vacation now?
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Anybody who believes that an increase in taxes will be used to balance the budget hasn't been paying attention. It will all go to new spending.
Of course. Actually it won't. Taxation has nothing to do with funding government. Its about social control and power accumulation.

As soon as taxes are raised muscogee and his friends will be wailing about more welfare spending.
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Old 11-07-2012, 23:05   #42
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About damn time. Do we all get 6 weeks mandatory vacation now?
Please say its so. :-)
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Old 11-07-2012, 23:17   #43
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It's official. We are Europe.
Yes and no.

I just came back from Europe (where I grew up) in order to vote.

Let me be sarcastic and cryptic for a second and recall a quote about what the meaning of "is" is, ... and examine what the meaning of "'we" is.

So when you say We are Europe, who is the We?

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Old 11-07-2012, 23:27   #44
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Even if we raise taxes on every income in the country, we don't even begin to come close to fixing the economy. We have to cut spending. Raising taxes won't work.
At this point we probably need both. We are far past the point of just spending cuts.
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Old 11-07-2012, 23:36   #45
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Maybe the American people need to experience communism themselves in order to realize their mistake. Maybe they need to see how it is when you have food rations, gasoline rations, toilet paper and detergent rations.

Maybe they need to see how living in a country where soap, shampoo, coffee, salami, cigarettes and whiskey are considered luxury items for the use of the upper class only, and where those items (obtained exclusively on the black market) can buy you a place ahead the line when you need a doctor visit for your father, heart medication for your mother or baby formula for your child.

Maybe they need to experience the waiting in line for 16 hours in a front of a grocery store to buy a malnourished chicken, or a bottle of cooking oil, a carton of eggs, or a pound of sugar, or a bottle of cooking propane - and when you're almost in the front of the line to be told they're sold out.

Maybe they need to sleep in their beds fully dressed up and wearing wool hats and gloves because they have no fuel to heat their homes.

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Maybe they need to learn how to have their families share the the rationed hot water and have the entire family take their shower during the single hour of the week when the hot water runs. And if possible do their laundry in the same time.

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... We have to raise taxes. The question is whose.
I suggest your taxes.
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Old 11-08-2012, 00:06   #47
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It will take both. One dollar of tax increases for ten dollars of spending cuts sounds reasonable to me.
YEAH RIGHT. Democrats wont EVER go for that.

I think to appease democrats and get us back from the fiscal cliff House Republicans will have to bend on increasing taxes. I dont like it and I dont agree with it but I simply dont see any other way around it. Refusing to do so will further damage the republican party because if they dont, democrats and the media will point the finger at republicans for the impending doom.

Democrats want to just let the Bush tax cuts for those making over 250k to expire. The solution i see is to get the spending cuts we want and then give them HALF of their tax increase. So if the tax rate would go up by 5% give them 2.5.

Then after we get that done we lock in the rates for 20 years to try and restore some order and confidence.

The days of praying for democrats to fail and look bad are over. Their failure now would be completely devastating later on and the blame would be laid on Republicans by the media. For us, its lose lose with the slim chance and hope that we dont lose our country in the process.

Just my .02
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Old 11-08-2012, 00:31   #48
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Of course we all know it isn't YOUR taxes that will get raised.
He doesnt mind if HIS taxes are raised 1000%.

You notice he has never claimed to pay any taxes, only a higher "percent than Romney" but wont state what percent he thinks Romney paid.

I will make this statement. Muscogee did not pay pay higher than a 14% total net tax burden like Romney did. And no where the the dollar amount.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:00   #49
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An economy that only functions with continuous infusions of QE, is already in serious trouble.

Until Benji takes us off life support, we really can't tell what the real shape of things are.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:24   #50
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What will raising taxes do to prevent a recession or depression?
It depends on how much they raise them, and on who. Bush 1 didn't raise taxes enough to deal with the deficit and things got worse. Clinton raised taxes enough, and cut spending enough to deal with the debe and things got better. Bush 2 cut taxes while going on a spending spree and the economy crashed. Don't give me the, "Clinton/Dodd/Frank did it" party line propaganda. No one but the party believes that.
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