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Old 11-07-2012, 20:52   #61
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No, they are not reaching out at all. They are showing off a handful of "different" people who tow the Republican line.

It is damned transparent and the proof is in the results.

When you start hearing rappers rapping about becoming CEOs and Hippies singing about smoking out with republicans....THEN you will be on to something. Point being, when the Republicans become "cool."
So, for you, off the top of my head, Herman Cain, Susana Martinez, Allen West, Mia love, Clarence Thomas, Marco Rubio, Condoleeza Rice are all token minorities toeing the Republican line. A dog and pony show, is that what you are saying? Symbolism over substance?
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:52   #62
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The same demographic from those eras is not the same demographic of today.

Listen, Republicans dont need to be like Democrats. That would be the wrong thing. They need to include more people in what it is to be a Republican. The Republicans spend a lot of time excluding people because they have an element who seems to hate the personal chocies of others.
Maybe we aren't giving those folks who are the new demographic enough credit. Sooner or later they will see through the smoke and mirrors of the Democrat party. I am sure most Republicans thought they would never get another President with an R next to his name after Hoover. Besides, if you flush the vaules voters, they have to made up for by some group. Who would that be? And would they come to the party in sufficient numbers to make up the difference? How would you convince them to sign up as Republicans? The values voters might well then become a third party. And even though they would not win elections, they could affect the outcomes of future elections.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:55   #63
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Well, damn!

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Old 11-07-2012, 20:57   #64
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Fine - scorched earth then. Last night the US became a nation of retards and cartoon watchers. Last nights result was like your neighbour's septic tank breaking due to his stupidity and flooding your living room with turds.

We DON'T unite behind this socialist scumbag - not unless you want to look like France and Greece and the plethora of other leftist basket cases.

Hit the vermin where you can personally:

* I've already cancelled any payroll type charitable contributions and will be making no more. Sorry you want to take my stuff, can't afford you.

* Email/phone/write letters or communicate with the Southern governors to withdraw all electrical tech support from the North-East. They played us, let'em starve and freeze to death. They played us, well, fine, we can put our people to good use on our own territory.

* Eliminate leftist organizations from those you do business
with. I've already reduced my Comcast to the bare minimum. When I told the rep I said "I might come back when Comcast drains the swamp at MSNBC." there was alot of sputtering at the end of the line.

* No aid whatsover to anyone who is a leftist. No social arrangements, no help of any kind - they are the enemy, not your friends and voted to destroy you. Let'em starve.

* No business where possible with union oriented enterprises
Thats obvious.

* No association with the leftist press - you can get enough truthful information online with contributing to the profitability
of basically terrorist propaganda organizations that helped throw the election to zero.

* On the GOP side, there has to be a relentless probing of this criminal administration's actions in Benghazi, Solyandra, Fast & Furious etc. Develop articles of impeachment, deliver them to the Senate where of course they will lapse - but they WILL get published. And again..and again. This is a criminal regime that gets Americans killed, destroys our credibility overseas, seeks to establish an alien / Socialist system. They have to be fought ever step of the way.

Its all just pinpricks - but 1000 pinpricks draws ALOT of blood.
This leftist scumbag only bested us in the popular vote by A couple of points, leaving enough furious people with a determined mindset that could hurt him and his minions of vermin.

`Well done sir....Thank you for your Post.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:58   #65
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Rabbi is well spoken, but wrong.

If I believe in nothing, then I'll believe anything. I would rather stand by principle and be in the minority than abandone them just to win an election.

This go along to get along view of yours is what allowed your people to be slaughtered by the Nazis. I will not get onto the train.
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Old 11-07-2012, 21:00   #66
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This country is slowly changing.

150 Years ago if someone stole a man's horse he'd hang. Today one can shoot the president, claim to be in love with a movie star and a few short years later freedom may be in sight.

Quislings and Traitors used to be executed. Now they're put up comfortably. Welfare used to be a stigma. Now it's a magnet. Freakish weirdness is not just tolerated, it's celebrated.

The times are changing. We can fight it, but only for so long. I don't mean to sound like a fatalist, but in just the last 50 years, I personally have seen huge shifts in attitudes about so many things.
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So, for you, off the top of my head, Herman Cain, Susana Martinez, Allen West, Mia love, Clarence Thomas, Marco Rubio, Condoleeza Rice are all token minorities toeing the Republican line. A dog and pony show, is that what you are saying? Symbolism over substance?
YES. (I hate saying that but, yes)

Most of the people you just mentioned are so accomplished, they are token to most everyone in the population. (and I have a man crush on Herman Cain)

Find me a few famous black gangster rappers.

Find me a Hispanic woman with 7 kids, has never had a job and has a husband in jail.

Find me an off the grid granola eating vegan hippy.

The sad thing is....the first two want what you want. To have much and live well. The third, well, lol, maybe not.
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Rabbi is well spoken, but wrong.

If I believe in nothing, then I'll believe anything. I would rather stand by principle and be in the minority than abandone them just to win an election.

This go along to get along view of yours is what allowed your people to be slaughtered by the Nazis. I will not get onto the train.

Really? you see nazis in this?

Again, I wil apply the "gotcha" of all of this to you. (and why, so many people vote left, even if they are, in a lot of ways, on the right)

So, your principles (the Right) is the party of "your personal choices are wrong" and we will use the law to keep those freedoms from you

The left is the party of inclusion.

And in your mind, me wanting (because I am on the Right)the right to include more people who may not be "like" us....and you NOT wanting that.....means MY THOUGHTS lead to the nazis?

Uh....No. You need to rethink things.
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YES. (I hate saying that but, yes)

Most of the people you just mentioned are so accomplished, they are token to most everyone in the population. (and I have a man crush on Herman Cain)

Find me a few famous black gangster rappers.

Find me a Hispanic woman with 7 kids, has never had a job and has a husband in jail.

Find me an off the grid granola eating vegan hippy.

The sad thing is....the first two want what you want. To have much and live well. The third, well, lol, maybe not.
I see. You're making the same argument of the left; Those people I listed aren't black enough, they aren't hispanic enough - they aren't down with the struggle.

Those people I listed are self-made. The people you listed, I don't know what to say about the people you listed.

As an atheist minority I have more in common with with the Republicans than I do with the people you listed.

The left is NOT the party of inclusion. The left is intollerant of ANY views that differ than thier own.
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That was an enjoyable read, Rabbi. Thanks.
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Good post Rabbi. The sun did indeed come up, and I got up and did my job like I do every day. My guy didn't win. That sucked, but I'm not going to give up on my country. It's worth the fight.

My hope, is that everybody can work together this time around to serve the people and leave the politics behind. I know that's naive, but, you never know.
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In most cases, when people who lean right complain about values voters, they are referring to pro rights people. Oh sure, they include an anti gay element, but I submit that gay rights voters are not that large a delegation. Neither are the pot smokers. And of those that are, many would be democrats anyway, no matter what Republicans did to try and woo them.
But W got elected twice against pro choice candidates, Al Gore and John Kerry.
What the Republicans need and will get again is another Genie in a Bottle. Like Reagan. Someone who is so likeable, he transcends politics and issues.

Much as a disagree with him BHO is likeable. Thats what really got him elected twice. But by 2016, the democrats will be back to the likes of fat ankled Hillary, or some other person who does not have the charisma and charm it takes to spell bind voters into ignoring performance.
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I see. You're making the same argument of the left; Those people I listed aren't black enough, they aren't hispanic enough - they aren't down with the struggle.

Those people I listed are self-made. The people you listed, I don't know what to say about the people you listed.

As an atheist minority I have more in common with with the Republicans than I do with the people you listed.

The left is NOT the party of inclusion. The left is intollerant of ANY views that differ than thier own.
How many black people can identify with Herman Cain? (or anyone for that matter) a Millionaire CEO and FED banker?

The left is the part of inclusion (in spite of the people they exclude)

This is not my opinion, this is the way a lot of people see it. Hell, it may not even be right and from my pov it sure isnt fair but it is reality.

You can fight first (and the results of that are failure most often) it or you can understand it and then plan and have a better plan.
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How many black people can identify with Herman Cain? (or anyone for that matter) a Millionaire CEO and FED banker?

The left is the part of inclusion (in spite of the people they exclude)

This is not my opinion, this is the way a lot of people see it. Hell, it may not even be right and from my pov it sure isnt fair but it is reality.

You can fight first (and the results of that are failure most often) it or you can understand it and then plan and have a better plan.
A lot more people can identify with Herman Cain than Obama, but they still vote for Obama.
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How many black people can identify with Herman Cain? (or anyone for that matter) a Millionaire CEO and FED banker?

The left is the part of inclusion (in spite of the people they exclude)

This is not my opinion, this is the way a lot of people see it. Hell, it may not even be right and from my pov it sure isnt fair but it is reality.

You can fight first (and the results of that are failure most often) it or you can understand it and then plan and have a better plan.
More and more people are illegerate and won't take the time or make the effort to study the candidates/issues.

I doubt the average black voter knows anything about Cain other than what the talking heads have told them.

Illegeracy is what keeps getting Dems elected, not thier "inclusiveness".
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More and more people are illegerate and won't take the time or make the effort to study the candidates/issues.

I doubt the average black voter knows anything about Cain other than what the talking heads have told them.

Illegeracy is what keeps getting Dems elected, not thier "inclusiveness".
You keep thinking that and see where it gets you.
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A lot more people can identify with Herman Cain than Obama, but they still vote for Obama.
Cain will tell them to work what they want. Obama is the bearer of gifts courtesy of the tax payer and no strings. It's a no brainer.
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A lot more people can identify with Herman Cain than Obama, but they still vote for Obama.
I dont think you know what identify means.

Obama was a fun kid, a cool teen and an interesting "fight the man" college kid who, in spite of being ivy league returned to the streets. (to do nothing but he was there)


And he is President because that story sells well.

Cain has a fair story....but he didnt return to the streets.
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Cain will tell them to work what they want. Obama is the bearer of gifts courtesy of the tax payer and no strings. It's a no brainer.
This, I agree with.
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You keep thinking that and see where it gets you.
And you can keep thinking the left is all about inclusiveness.
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