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Old 11-08-2012, 04:27   #51
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What will raising taxes do to prevent a recession or depression?
If we cut spending along with sufficient tax increases we can pay down the deficit. That means more money for us and less for China. If we stop playing the World's policemen, that means more money for us and less for the rest of the world. Bring the troops and the money home. There are plenty of places in the U.S. that could use that money and put people to work.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:30   #52
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YEAH RIGHT. Democrats wont EVER go for that.
IIRC, that's what the President has been pushing. Boehner's handlers won't go for it.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:30   #53
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If we cut spending along with sufficient tax increases we can pay down the deficit. That means more money for us and less for China. If we stop playing the World's policemen, that means more money for us and less for the rest of the world. Bring the troops and the money home. There are plenty of places in the U.S. that could use that money and put people to work.
Well said sir.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:34   #54
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He doesnt mind if HIS taxes are raised 1000%.

You notice he has never claimed to pay any taxes, only a higher "percent than Romney" but wont state what percent he thinks Romney paid.

I will make this statement. Muscogee did not pay pay higher than a 14% total net tax burden like Romney did. And no where the the dollar amount.
Well you would be wrong. Why must you always get personal? I'm not going to get in a "mine's bigger than yours" argument with you. It's immature and ill mannered.

Arrogant condescending people like you are the reason the Republicans lost. With me help, my district replaced an incumbent Republican with a Democrat. I don't like the Democrats but I like people like you much less. You brag about having more money than General Bullmoose but then turn around and say you're having to lay people off because you can't afford to pay their health care. I think you could if you could weren't so greedy.

I thought about you while I was voting. It gave me a lot of pleasure to know my vote would cause you angst. Do you really thing you can change my vote with your personal attacks and insults? People like you who goosestep to the party line are irrelevant to the election. Moderates like me are the ones who decide the election. We have spoken.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:34   #55
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Well said sir.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:23   #56
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It's official. We are Europe.
Shouldn't that be "Oui are Europe"?
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:41   #57
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IIRC, that's what the President has been pushing. Boehner's handlers won't go for it.
As alway you recall incorrectly.
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You brag about having more money than General Bullmoose but then turn around and say you're having to lay people off because you can't afford to pay their health care. I think you could if you could weren't so greedy.
Whether or not DanaT can afford to pay for their healthcare is irrelevant. He has to attract investment capital to launch his venture. IIRC, he's offered you a chance to invest too. As an investor, YOU would have a say in what terms the employees were offered. Instead of whining about how DanaT is doing it, grow some nads and make it happen.

His investors will demand that their capital be used in the most efficient way possible. Slathering unnecessary benefits on employees or paying government extortion is not efficient.

That's where socialists always fall short: you don't understand WHY the free market works and why socialism fails. It is about making the best use of resources, so the most people benefit.

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MODERATES LIKE YOU? You've said right here on this very forum that you want the U.S. to adopt Democratic Socialism.

You are a moderate?

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Old 11-08-2012, 07:53   #59
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It will take both. One dollar of tax increases for ten dollars of spending cuts sounds reasonable to me.
You understand that when we cut that ten dollars of spending, we can't pay a million dollars a year to keep peoples' mothers-in-law alive, right?

I'm not trying to get personal in the sense of a personal attack. I'm trying to point out that when budgets get cut, services have to get cut. I honestly don't think you understand that.

The things we spend the most money on are health care for old people and Social Security checks for old people. Any cuts would have to start with gutting those programs. You could cut almost everything else and not even begin to make a dent.
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I'd like to hear from Muscogee EXACTLY where we should decrease our spending, and EXACTLY who should be paying more in taxes, and why. I don't think he could come up with a plausible answer. It SOUNDS NICE to say cut $10/raise $1, but I want specifics. I also agree that the amount spent on welfare should NEVER exceed the amount spent on national defense.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:37   #61
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Shouldn't that be "Oui are Europe"?
and you are supposed to announce it while toasting with a verre du vin
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You understand that when we cut that ten dollars of spending, we can't pay a million dollars a year to keep peoples' mothers-in-law alive, right?

I'm not trying to get personal in the sense of a personal attack. I'm trying to point out that when budgets get cut, services have to get cut. I honestly don't think you understand that.

The things we spend the most money on are health care for old people and Social Security checks for old people. Any cuts would have to start with gutting those programs. You could cut almost everything else and not even begin to make a dent.
thats not so, the gubmint spend in excess of 700 billion a year on welfare NOT counting social security and medicare....but spends just over 500 billion a year on nation defense security.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:40   #63
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You understand that when we cut that ten dollars of spending, we can't pay a million dollars a year to keep peoples' mothers-in-law alive, right?

I'm not trying to get personal in the sense of a personal attack. I'm trying to point out that when budgets get cut, services have to get cut. I honestly don't think you understand that.

The things we spend the most money on are health care for old people and Social Security checks for old people. Any cuts would have to start with gutting those programs. You could cut almost everything else and not even begin to make a dent.
The programs DO have to be changed, not gutted.

Starting to raise the retirement age again, eliminating the earnings ceiling at which social security tax stops being paid, means testing benefits, these probably all have to come into play.

Boosting the economy, putting more people back to work, and a guest worker program where non-resident aliens can come here legally to work and pay social security tax could also help. There is a lot that must be and can be done, but maintaining the status quo won't cut it, no will continuing to increase the already bloated entitlement system.
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eliminating the earnings ceiling at which social security tax stops being paid,
That's a tax increase.

And in your post you're essentially calling for these people who hit the ceiling to be means tested out of benes.

Just end it. For chrissakes those people had a lifetime to plan for their retirement.
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It depends on how much they raise them, and on who. Bush 1 didn't raise taxes enough to deal with the deficit and things got worse. Clinton raised taxes enough, and cut spending enough to deal with the debe and things got better. .
You are more than misinformed.

The Clinton surplus was on paper because of the dot com bubble. Once all that money disappeared, the capital gains tax it generated went away too.

It had nothing to do with Clinton other than timing.

But why dont you speak the truth and admit that the plans set forth for 9/11 all happened under Clinton's watch and that attack had a huge financial impact that we had a hard time recovering from?
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I thought about you while I was voting.
I know you think about me a lot, just please tell me you dont have naughty dreams about me.
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Arrogant condescending people like you are the reason the Republicans lost. With me help, my district replaced an incumbent Republican with a Democrat.
So why dont you help me out since you are so insightful and voted so well.

The company I am working for is making the decision over the next week to shut down the US operation and terminate all employees because of the uncertainty over costs and taxes. It is about 30% that it will happen.

I have been told I will be sent to the USA early to do it. If it is decided next week, I fly home Friday the 16th and chop on Monday and Tuesday. The ones that have to pack stuff up and ship capital equipment and assets to Europe get to stay until Dec 21. If it is shut down they want everyone off the books by the end of the year (end of year for us is Dec 21).

More over, the equipment that is process being built in the USA to be delivered next year will be cancelled.

So, help me out. How do you recommend getting rid of people a day or two before thanksgiving? Three days before Xmas? They have done nothing wrong other than be caught up in uncertainty where people are not willing to risk their money.

Maybe you could give me your phone number and you can explain to them how the election was actually good for them?

FWIW, I hope in the next 3 or 4 days I can pull something out of my butt or my butt will be moving. I already told wife 30% that she is moving.
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There will only be a recession if the Republicans continue to dig their heels in. We have to raise taxes. The question is whose.
The half that aren't paying anything.

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I'm not trying to get personal in the sense of a personal attack. I'm trying to point out that when budgets get cut, services have to get cut. I honestly don't think you understand that.
Clinton raised taxes and curtailed government spending. The Republicans undid all of that and crashed the economy. Then they started blaming Obama before he took office. I don't think you understand that.

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The things we spend the most money on are health care for old people and Social Security checks for old people. Any cuts would have to start with gutting those programs. You could cut almost everything else and not even begin to make a dent.
We spent enough on the unfunded wars Bush started to pay for health care for every person in the U.S.
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Clinton raised taxes and curtailed government spending. The Republicans undid all of that and crashed the economy. Then they started blaming Obama before he took office. I don't think you understand that.



We spent enough on the unfunded wars Bush started to pay for health care for every person in the U.S.
This is funny. Clearly you don't remember Newt and Kasich. Kasich's nickname was The Hatchet Man and Newt Stole Christmas.

Oh, and the wars cost less per year than social security and medicare.
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I'd like to hear from Muscogee EXACTLY where we should decrease our spending, and EXACTLY who should be paying more in taxes, and why. I don't think he could come up with a plausible answer. It SOUNDS NICE to say cut $10/raise $1, but I want specifics. I also agree that the amount spent on welfare should NEVER exceed the amount spent on national defense.
Repeal the Bush tax cuts and bring the troops home from everywhere. Spend the money in the U.S. that we're currently spending everywhere else. That will stimulate our economy instead of everyone elses economy and get things done in the U.S. that need to be done. Turn health care into a free market instead of the medieval guild it is now.

What's your idea? Gutting SSI and turning Medicare into an HMO? Never happen. Wrong answer.
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WTH? We've been in a recession for years.
Only if you want to ignore what the definition of "recession" really is. Words matter. If you want to say the economy stinks, fine. But don't use terms incorrectly.
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Repeal the Bush tax cuts and bring the troops home from everywhere. Spend the money in the U.S. that we're currently spending everywhere else.
Yeah, government spending our money (regardless of where) really helps the economy. The last four years have proven that, right?
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