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Old 11-08-2012, 14:54   #81
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True. The only way to win now is to pander. Are you Hispanic? We'll give you amnesty. Like leeching off society? Welfare for all. Female? Abortions on-demand up to 9 months and free birth control. Underwater on your home because you were stupid and greedy? We'll bail you out. Too much student loan debt because you picked a worthless education? We'll wipe out your debt. Etc. Gimme gimme gimme.

I can't wait until the dollar collapses and the whole thing implodes. Don't come crying to me when it does.
True to a degree. As whoever it was said, "Once people realisethey can vote themselves money, it is over." And so it is. Te nature of socialism is that it promises many people more more that tey don't have to earn and makes them feel good about it.

BUT you might just have lost your last chance to do anything to reverse that. 12 million illegals will now ge the vote. That means 95% of the 15% blacks will vote democrat plus the 75% of well over 10% hispanics. That is without any political thought at all. Then a whole lot who might dislike a lot of the fiscal policies and simple crookedness of so many Democrat Pols and who might vote Republican if only the Republicans were not saddled with even sillier social ideas than the Democrats. The religious right have just thrown away this election for the sake of feeling good about their silly ideas.

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Old 11-08-2012, 14:57   #82
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You sound like some kind of Muslim socialist commie DU troll. I bet you don even own any guns and cheer whenever an American soldier dies. Why are you even here? Everyone knows that only Christian Tea Partiers own guns and enjoy shooting sports. Your ideas and beliefs are different than mine and that makes them wrong and it makes you un-American.

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Old 11-08-2012, 16:41   #83
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Look, Romney presented an adult honest intelligent solution to our problems. Obama offered lies and freebees. It makes no difference what is suggested if the alternative is freebees. But nothing is really free, Darwin will ensure that America dies. America does not deserve to exist as a player. America will become a dependant of China. Thomas Jefferson et al pulled us away from being a British Colony, we will become a Chinese Colony.
What were the honest intelligent solutions that Romney proposed for our ballooning debt? He made some vague statements about lowering tax rates and ending some deductions, but he never clarified which deductions he'd end.
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Old 11-08-2012, 16:58   #84
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Or maybe it's the media repeating the lies over and over and over again without any fear of being challenged.

- Mitt wants to kill grandma
- Mitt will make abortion illegal
- Mitt will only help the rich
- Mitt's budget will wipe out all social programs
- When Mitt ran Bain Capital, he sent jobs overseas
- Mitt hates gays
- The economy is recovering
- Fast & Furious? Never heard of it
- Fast & Furious? Bush started it
- Embassy killings, was because of a hate film
- Embassy killing? There was no prior about an attack.
- Obama has improved the economy
- Unemployment is down
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Old 11-08-2012, 17:07   #85
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The "losers" of the election will mostly be the lower class people that voted FOR Obama.

They will be hit much harder by what the next 4 years will bring than many of us.

Oh sure...they do not SEE it that way...but that is how it will play out.

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The middle class need jobs and the poor don't hire many folks. The rich won't either if they are unsure about the future of the Country/economy.
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Old 11-08-2012, 17:28   #87
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You voted for Romney, didn't you?
Yeah, I's just messing with you guys.
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Old 11-08-2012, 17:34   #88
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Um, HELLO? BAck atcha. Everyone can have that if Government leaves us TF alone. You don't need a butter churn for that. We want Zero gone for the same reason, so don't complain like we're weird or something.



Actually, I do. Have lived in country for the past decade. My meat grazes on the front lawn daily.
Awww, big bad government keeping you from finding something you love to do and figuring out how to make good enough money at it that you don't really miss the taxes you have to pay? Or do you just expect to keep doing the same thing you always have and just get more money without having to change anything?

Sorry if you made some bad choices in life but that's not my problem. Sound familiar?
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Old 11-08-2012, 17:36   #89
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Or, just offer free cheese, beer and cigarettes, and win the next election that way.
Such compelling arguments you make. Everyone that disagrees with you is just looking for a free ride. How did your side ever lose?
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Old 11-08-2012, 17:46   #90
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Well said.

The Left professes compassion and charity for others, yet their acts and words suggest derision and loathing for those who suffer under the burden of unemployment created by those on both sides of the aisle who "lead" us.

Anyone can see that insensitivity for themselves in Gunhaver's words quoted in full above.

We are indebted, and I am grateful to you, Gunhaver, for showing us all the true soul of the Left.

It is my hope that the example quoted above should motivate us all to never devolve to snickering at another human being's discomfort and/or suffering just because of our political differences.
I never professed compassion or charity for anyone. Short of being a regular blood donor I don't even donate much to charity. That's not my thing and if it's yours and you feel superior to me for it than have fun with that.

I simply voted against the religious right for the supremely retarded things they believe. Don't think I have any love for Obama. If he'd also showed up wearing magic underwear and belonging to one of the most wackaloon cults around I'd have voted third party.

But it was G29Reload I was responding to and I particularly don't give a damn about him. He has cows in the front yard and a seriously abrasive attitude. He'll be just fine.
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Old 11-08-2012, 17:54   #91
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I never professed compassion or charity for anyone. Short of being a regular blood donor I don't even donate much to charity. That's not my thing and if it's yours and you feel superior to me for it than have fun with that.

I simply voted against the religious right for the supremely retarded things they believe. Don't think I have any love for Obama. If he'd also showed up wearing magic underwear and belonging to one of the most wackaloon cults around I'd have voted third party.

But it was G29Reload I was responding to and I particularly don't give a damn about him. He has cows in the front yard and a seriously abrasive attitude. He'll be just fine.
So you don't give much to charity but you have no problem using government to force someone else to pay for your friends medical treatment?

That's pathetic
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Old 11-08-2012, 18:17   #92
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Wrong again. Look at my other posts on libertarians and the GOP. Obama won because we have now tipped the scales with more dependents than providers. That's the blunt truth. However I do think if we made changes to unite the non-parasites, we might have a chance next time. Unfortunately I doubt that will happen.
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So you don't give much to charity but you have no problem using government to force someone else to pay for your friends medical treatment?

That's pathetic
You believe in god? I think that's pathetic. Probably not going to change your mind much. It's called a difference of opinion. Deal with it because your holier than thou attitude doesn't have any affect on me.

I have no problem using the money of people who have more than enough to spare to save the lives of other people that can't afford life saving medical procedures. I think ACA will have to go through a lot of changes before it really serves that purpose but it's a step in the right direction. Your party sure showed no inclination to address the issue.

BTW, my girlfriend has a rare condition called gastroparesis. She was dependent on a very expensive drug called Reglan to keep her digestive system moving and the side effects include Parkinson's like symptoms after extended use. We found something that works much better and guess what it is? Here's a hint: It's something that grows naturally, was recently legalized in 2 states and is vehemently opposed by the party that you keep insisting I should have voted for. The party you keep supporting right along with all their insane big government BS. **** you morons and your lectures about Obamacare. I'd have every one of you taxed into poverty before I buy into that insanity. In the meantime I will revel in your becoming more and more irrelevant.

Have a nice day.
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Old 11-08-2012, 19:57   #94
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Here's a hint: It's something that grows naturally, was recently legalized in 2 states and is vehemently opposed by the party that you keep insisting I should have voted for. The party you keep supporting right along with all their insane big government BS. **** you morons and your lectures about Obamacare. I'd have every one of you taxed into poverty before I buy into that insanity. In the meantime I will revel in your becoming more and more irrelevant.

Have a nice day.
First off, you do realize CF is libertarian right?

Secondly, its very telling you are willing "tax everyone" into poverty, for something that quite bluntly isn't my problem.

How about we take responsibility for ourselves? Why must we use the force of the government to confiscate wealth to what you feel is a just cause?

What makes you entitled to my money? Sounds selfish to me.

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Old 11-08-2012, 20:04   #95
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What were the honest intelligent solutions that Romney proposed for our ballooning debt? He made some vague statements about lowering tax rates and ending some deductions, but he never clarified which deductions he'd end.
And he explained why he wasn't divulging more. He didn't want the MSM to corrupt his plan. (why do you pretend to be stupid, I truly believe lieberals lie to themselves first, then to their like minded cohorts, what a lovely bunch of coconuts!) You're like most lieberals, you can't see the truth through your prejudices. Of course if all you watch is the MSM you're ignorance is explained. Anyway, fasten your seatbelt you're going on a fast downhill slide.

He would probably freeze Government hiring, which would not help him get votes. He was going to be tough on the slackers. I understand why you voted as you did. I would also vote as you did, if I was you.
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You believe in god? I think that's pathetic. Probably not going to change your mind much. It's called a difference of opinion. Deal with it because your holier than thou attitude doesn't have any affect on me.

I have no problem using the money of people who have more than enough to spare to save the lives of other people that can't afford life saving medical procedures. I think ACA will have to go through a lot of changes before it really serves that purpose but it's a step in the right direction. Your party sure showed no inclination to address the issue.

BTW, my girlfriend has a rare condition called gastroparesis. She was dependent on a very expensive drug called Reglan to keep her digestive system moving and the side effects include Parkinson's like symptoms after extended use. We found something that works much better and guess what it is? Here's a hint: It's something that grows naturally, was recently legalized in 2 states and is vehemently opposed by the party that you keep insisting I should have voted for. The party you keep supporting right along with all their insane big government BS. **** you morons and your lectures about Obamacare. I'd have every one of you taxed into poverty before I buy into that insanity. In the meantime I will revel in your becoming more and more irrelevant.

Have a nice day.
You're a thief. Plain and simple.

If you were a man, you would make some extra jewelry, work an extra job, do what you have to do to pay for her her drug yourself. Instead, you let her turn into a welfare case. Your girlfriend isn't my problem. You try to make it my problem and I hope she's denied treatment....rationed out. Her life isn't worth the expense. Your President won't be in office forever.
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As you can see, the GOP is going to have a very hard time distancing themselves from the wingnuts. Give if a few weeks. The birthers will be back at it, harping on secret Muslim rings, gays, etc. These people are far too gone to walk away from this stuff. We'll see if the party can successfully make the separation.

Edit: as you can see certifiedfunds is well on his way to a 2016 win. Hey certified, why don't you run the next nominee's campaign and advise him to preach your strategy of letting heart attack victims and other people with life threatening issues die in hospital parking lots. It'll be a landslide victory!

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Old 11-08-2012, 20:28   #98
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It isn't a matter of getting those that do agree with you out to vote. It's because you can't convince anyone new to vote on your side. In short, you guys suck at debate.

Take a look at some of the threads on the religious issues forum and see how ineffective the arguments from the religious conservatives are. Take a look at this forum and see how anyone is treated when they express a left leaning opinion on anything. Even the third party voters weren't convinced and they lined up with you Romney supporters on many issues.

As long as abortion is always murder, gays have an agenda to destroy the traditional family, women should have rape babies and planned parenthood (which is directly responsible for many of you not making child support payments) is the major drain of tax dollars in this country, black people are the main users of welfare, and your golden boy candidate honestly believes in talking salamanders, getting his own planet and magic holy underwear then very, very few new voters are going to take you seriously.

Think about it. Who do republicans rail against? Anyone that disagrees with them. That's a whole lot of people and that was just proven to you last night. Women, gays, minorities, atheists, libertarians, poor people, sick people... that's a whole lot of people. Romney flat out said that 47% of us were worthless. Who do democrats rail against? Republicans, the rich, people that think their bible should be a guide to the law. Not nearly so many people and the points they make against those people are so much better than anything your side is saying about your enemies.

When someone comes here, or to any forum where conservatives are the majority, and expresses an opinion that differs from your own the correct response is not, "Yer jist a damned liberal!" or, "You're looking for a free ride!"

You might want to consider dumping the religious insanity that so many of us are sick of and start making some damned sense. You could stick to the fiscal matters and relay that info to the fence sitters while dumping anyone from your party that opens his stupid mouth about gays or taxpayer funded birth control.

Or you could just run Rick Santorum in 2016 on the NO MORE PORN ticket, hope for the best in one hand and frothy mix in the other and see which one fills up first.
You are a perfect illustration of the idea that if you are a hammer, every problem is a nail. For you, more God-hate is always the answer, and certainly trumps other issues like gun rights. IMHO the opposite is the problem. Let me quote John Adams:

"We have no government armed in power capable of contending in human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."

This explains the breakdown of America today, and why attempts to export our Constitution to other nations and cultures without our Biblical Christian background have had little success. See our recent efforts in Muslim nations. The governments of the former Communist bloc used the terminology of America's governing principles, but without the Judeo-Christian heritage driving it. This is from Gary DeMars book, "God and Government":

"The assumption is that since a certain type of constitutionalism works in America, then it should have an equal chance of success in any country, no matter what ideology motivates and forms the world view of the people. In essence, governmental forms are considered to be more important than ideology and character. This has not proved to be true. For example, Bolivia had sixty revolts, ten constitutions, and six presidents assassinated between 1826 and 1898. Simon Bolivar (1783-1830), called the "George Washington of South America", died an exhausted and disillusioned idealist because of the character of the ungovernable people. Some months before his death Bolivar wrote:

There is no good faith in Latin America, nor among the nations of Latin America. Treaties are scraps of paper; constitutions, printed matter [see today's liberal activist judges]; elections, battles; freedom, anarchy; and life a torment."

As this nation continues to turn its back on God, Bolivia, here we come. Lawless looters seem to be firmly in charge here. My prediction is this eventually ends in a totally devalued dollar and an authoritarian government of the right or left.
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I never professed compassion or charity for anyone.
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Short of being a regular blood donor I don't even donate much to charity. That's not my thing and if it's yours and you feel superior to me for it than have fun with that.
No, I don't feel superior to anyone. I simply care about other people. Who knows? Perhaps it'll come back to me when I, or someone I love, needs help.

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You believe in god? I think that's pathetic. Probably not going to change your mind much. It's called a difference of opinion. Deal with it because your holier than thou attitude doesn't have any affect on me.
Doesn't seem like much will. That's called a closed mind.

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I have no problem using the money of people who have more than enough to spare to save the lives of other people that can't afford life saving medical procedures. I think ACA will have to go through a lot of changes before it really serves that purpose but it's a step in the right direction. Your party sure showed no inclination to address the issue.

BTW, my girlfriend has a rare condition called gastroparesis. She was dependent on a very expensive drug called Reglan to keep her digestive system moving and the side effects include Parkinson's like symptoms after extended use. We found something that works much better and guess what it is? Here's a hint: It's something that grows naturally, was recently legalized in 2 states and is vehemently opposed by the party that you keep insisting I should have voted for. The party you keep supporting right along with all their insane big government BS. **** you morons and your lectures about Obamacare. I'd have every one of you taxed into poverty before I buy into that insanity. In the meantime I will revel in your becoming more and more irrelevant.

Have a nice day.
As long as the "take" is from someone else's pocket and the "give" lines yours with money, it is OK? You may very well be the perfect hypocrite. Nice touch with the profanity; the picture is now complete.

I won't hold your behavior against your girl-friend either. From the impression you have made upon many here, she has plenty of unpleasantness to deal with besides her illness.

How utterly pitiful.
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It isn't a matter of getting those that do agree with you out to vote. It's because you can't convince anyone new to vote on your side. In short, you guys suck at debate.

Take a look at some of the threads on the religious issues forum and see how ineffective the arguments from the religious conservatives are. Take a look at this forum and see how anyone is treated when they express a left leaning opinion on anything. Even the third party voters weren't convinced and they lined up with you Romney supporters on many issues.

As long as abortion is always murder, gays have an agenda to destroy the traditional family, women should have rape babies and planned parenthood (which is directly responsible for many of you not making child support payments) is the major drain of tax dollars in this country, black people are the main users of welfare, and your golden boy candidate honestly believes in talking salamanders, getting his own planet and magic holy underwear then very, very few new voters are going to take you seriously.

Think about it. Who do republicans rail against? Anyone that disagrees with them. That's a whole lot of people and that was just proven to you last night. Women, gays, minorities, atheists, libertarians, poor people, sick people... that's a whole lot of people. Romney flat out said that 47% of us were worthless. Who do democrats rail against? Republicans, the rich, people that think their bible should be a guide to the law. Not nearly so many people and the points they make against those people are so much better than anything your side is saying about your enemies.

When someone comes here, or to any forum where conservatives are the majority, and expresses an opinion that differs from your own the correct response is not, "Yer jist a damned liberal!" or, "You're looking for a free ride!"

You might want to consider dumping the religious insanity that so many of us are sick of and start making some damned sense. You could stick to the fiscal matters and relay that info to the fence sitters while dumping anyone from your party that opens his stupid mouth about gays or taxpayer funded birth control.

Or you could just run Rick Santorum in 2016 on the NO MORE PORN ticket, hope for the best in one hand and frothy mix in the other and see which one fills up first.
Excellent post here. Re-posted for emphasis.

The GOP has become the party of fear, of anger, of hatred, and of obstruction.

American conservatives have become impervious to scientific facts and to rational arguments.

Instead of "agreeing to disagree", they call people communists or socialists. They play on people's fears because they have nothing positive to offer.

Exhibit A is that everytime I disagree with someone's views here, I'm a troll or a Marxist.

Its not effective. When you call everyone that disagrees with you a socialist, the word loses its meaning.

Its an inherently negative agenda that will find itself supported only by the far religious, rural, uneducated white that is terrified of an America no longer at the center of the universe, but simply a major player in the global scene.

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