[Paul7]

What happened in the election is it has now been demonstrated that we have more people riding in the wagon than pulling it. Its hard to beat Santa Claus. As Rush said, in a nation of children, a candidate running as Santa Claus will always beat the candidate telling you to be your own Santa Claus. I don't think being Santa Claus when we are $16,000,000,000,000 in debt is the answer. Obviously those here lacking in the fiscal sense department disagree with me.

[IndianaMatt]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

You're a thief. Plain and simple.

If you were a man, you would make some extra jewelry, work an extra job, do what you have to do to pay for her her drug yourself. Instead, you let her turn into a welfare case. Your girlfriend isn't my problem. You try to make it my problem and I hope she's denied treatment....rationed out. Her life isn't worth the expense. Your President won't be in office forever.

What a terrible thing to say to someone.

From reading your posts here, I think you are probably one of the most selfish people I have ever met, either on the internet, or in real life.

What a miserable human being. You must've been a real peach on the playground back in school, playing all by yourself in the corner while the other kids enjoyed socializing with one another, learning to play on teams, sharing, cooperating, etc.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by IndianaMatt

Excellent post here. Re-posted for emphasis.

The GOP has become the party of fear, of anger, of hatred, and of obstruction.

American conservatives have become impervious to scientific facts and to rational arguments.

Instead of "agreeing to disagree", they call people communists or socialists. They play on people's fears because they have nothing positive to offer.

Exhibit A is that everytime I disagree with someone's views here, I'm a troll or a Marxist.

Its not effective. When you call everyone that disagrees with you a socialist, the word loses its meaning.

Its an inherently negative agenda that will find itself supported only by the far religious, rural, uneducated white that is terrified of an America no longer at the center of the universe, but simply a major player in the global scene.

The Democrats have become the party of thieves.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by IndianaMatt

What a terrible thing to say to someone.

From reading your posts here, I think you are probably one of the most selfish people I have ever met, either on the internet, or in real life.

What a miserable human being. You must've been a real peach on the playground back in school, playing all by yourself in the corner while the other kids enjoyed socializing with one another, learning to play on teams, sharing, cooperating, etc.

What part of it isn't true? People who vote to have the government seize money under threat of violence to give it to them or someone else, are thieves, by proxy.

Are they too cowardly to do it themselves? Why not just knock on their neighbor's door, stick a gun in their face and demand half their money for their girlfriend's medicine? What's the difference if you vote for a politician to do it for you?

Thief


I am probably the most charitable person you would meet on a daily basis but I wouldn't dare impose that on you.

[IndianaMatt]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

What part of it isn't true? People who vote to have the government seize money under threat of violence to give it to them or someone else, are thieves, by proxy.

Are they too cowardly to do it themselves? Why not just knock on their neighbor's door, stick a gun in their face and demand half their money for their girlfriend's medicine? What's the difference if you vote for a politician to do it for you?

Thief


I am probably the most charitable person you would meet on a daily basis but I wouldn't dare impose that on you.

"Seize money under threat of violence"?

You mean, "pay taxes as part of the social contract, like in every civilized society that has ever existed on earth"?

[IvanVic]

Originally Posted by IndianaMatt

"Seize money under threat of violence"?

You mean, "pay taxes as part of the social contract, like in every civilized society that has ever existed on earth"?

Certified is the only person on glock talk that pays taxes. Didn't he tell you that already?


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[IndianaMatt]

Originally Posted by IvanVic

Certified is the only person on glock talk that pays taxes. Didn't he tell you that already?


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Lols, he must be.

I guess I should ask him for permission next time I drive on his roads, enjoy the protection of his military, have his fire department save my home, turn on the lights and use electricity delivered by his wires, flush poop down his sewer, enjoy a safe flight because of his federal air marshals, patronize his Grand Canyon, etc.

I wonder if he uses these resources to the exact proportion that he pays for them...


Hmmmm...

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by IndianaMatt

"Seize money under threat of violence"?

You mean, "pay taxes as part of the social contract, like in every civilized society that has ever existed on earth"?

Social contract? You have a copy of that?

In the United States 2012, every dime of federal taxes goes to social welfare spending. Not infrastructure. Not Constitutional governmental duties. Not "common good". Straight up welfare. Wealth redistribution.

Now, ask yourself what the government does if you don't pay taxes. Explain to me how it is any less armed robbery than doing it in person.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by IvanVic

Certified is the only person on glock talk that pays taxes. Didn't he tell you that already?


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Hardly. But a good number of you folks suck at the teat.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by IndianaMatt

Lols, he must be.

I guess I should ask him for permission next time I drive on his roads, enjoy the protection of his military, have his fire department save my home, turn on the lights and use electricity delivered by his wires, flush poop down his sewer, enjoy a safe flight because of his federal air marshals, patronize his Grand Canyon, etc.

I wonder if he uses these resources to the exact proportion that he pays for them...


Hmmmm...

The socialists types......when they run out of argument about taxes......they love to point to common good infrastructure, completely and conveniently ignoring several facts:

1. Often times they point toward state and local infrastructure and services.

2. On the federal level, those things are paid for with debt because their welfare programs consume all of the annual federal revenue.

You want to have conversations about roads and bridges as they relate to taxes, go right ahead. But don't stand their and try to make some sarcastic comment about paying taxes for roads and bridges when what you folks really want is to take money from one person and give it to another, unless you really are that ignorant. And we they object, you will put us in prison and seize our home.

[IndianaMatt]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Social contract? You have a copy of that?

In the United States 2012, every dime of federal taxes goes to social welfare spending. Not infrastructure. Not Constitutional governmental duties. Not "common good". Straight up welfare. Wealth redistribution.

Now, ask yourself what the government does if you don't pay taxes. Explain to me how it is any less armed robbery than doing it in person.

I'd be curious where you got this stat from.

And what the government does when you don't pay taxes is they lock you up in jail, as they should.

You don't get to drive on roads that I am paying for, enjoy the protection of the military that I am helping fund, without putting in your fair share. Simple as that.

I've been paying taxes all my life, and I've never collected a dime of "welfare."

You pay for the privilege of living in the most developed country in the world, or you don't get to enjoy its freedom.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by IndianaMatt

I'd be curious where you got this stat from.

And what the government does when you don't pay taxes is they lock you up in jail, as they should.

You don't get to drive on roads that I am paying for, enjoy the protection of the military that I am helping fund, without putting in your fair share. Simple as that.

I've been paying taxes all my life, and I've never collected a dime of "welfare."

You pay for the privilege of living in the most developed country in the world, or you don't get to enjoy its freedom.

Here you go Skippy:



Note this is a pie chart of all federal spending, which is of course inclusive of deficit spending. The dollar amounts don't change, just the percentages.

These numbers can all vary $50-$100B or so, depending on the source. Believe me I've looked at a lot of sources and they vary, so we ballpark. The end point is the same.

Total fed revenue from all sources: $2.2Trillion
SS: $720B
Medicare: $491B
Medicaid: $297B
Safety Net Programs: $360B

Right there you have: $1.868 Trillion

That's only $132B remaining of federal revenues.

Still remaining:

"Food"
"Housing"
"Education"

Yes, education. Everything from school lunch program to pell grants.

On the most basic numbers above, without getting into details you have

So, no, you aren't paying for "infrastructure" and neither am I. Taxes go to welfare. Congratulations. You folks have made us Western Europe.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Here you go Skippy:



Note this is a pie chart of all federal spending, which is of course inclusive of deficit spending. The dollar amounts don't change, just the percentages.

These numbers can all vary $50-$100B or so, depending on the source. Believe me I've looked at a lot of sources and they vary, so we ballpark. The end point is the same.

Total fed revenue from all sources: $2.2Trillion
SS: $720B
Medicare: $491B
Medicaid: $297B
Safety Net Programs: $360B

Right there you have: $1.868 Trillion

That's only $132B remaining of federal revenues.

Still remaining:

"Food"
"Housing"
"Education"

Yes, education. Everything from school lunch program to pell grants.

On the most basic numbers above, without getting into details you have

So, no, you aren't paying for "infrastructure" and neither am I. Taxes go to welfare. Congratulations. You folks have made us Western Europe.

And to the title of the thread, *THIS* is why Obama won.

[certifiedfunds]

This is why tax evaders are modern patriots.

[Stubudd]

Originally Posted by IndianaMatt

"Seize money under threat of violence"?

You mean, "pay taxes as part of the social contract, like in every civilized society that has ever existed on earth"?

Originally Posted by IndianaMatt

I'd be curious where you got this stat from.

And what the government does when you don't pay taxes is they lock you up in jail, as they should.

You don't get to drive on roads that I am paying for, enjoy the protection of the military that I am helping fund, without putting in your fair share. Simple as that.

I've been paying taxes all my life, and I've never collected a dime of "welfare."

You pay for the privilege of living in the most developed country in the world, or you don't get to enjoy its freedom.

Of course it's under threat of violence. Why else would anybody go? You'll either go along with the threat, or you'll resist and be kidnapped, or you'll resist enough and get killed. How is that not violent?

I never contracted to pay endlessly to fund a military all over the world or to drop bombs all over people on the other side of the planet, or to pay for other peoples' retirements, or to pay interest on loans to a private bank with a license to print money that i have nothing to do with.

Federal income tax has only existed about 100 years- but you've been so thoroughly conditioned to believe it is necessary for washington bureaucrats to confiscate your money under threat of violence you're actually defending them for doing it. Think about that for a bit. It is 1000%, one million times out of control of what it was ever supposed to be- a multi trillion dollar monstrosity. It doesn't have to be this way, no matter how many times they tell you it does, no matter how inevitable they'd have you believe their rule is. Read what's in my sig- he talks about how conditioning just like you're exhibiting here is so crucial to their maintaining control.

The stats he mentioned you can find anywhere they list the US budget. Tax revenue pretty much matches those three programs. The rest is borrowed money. With all they've taken and are taking now, they've already spent everything they'll take from your kids' kids under threat of violence too, with no end in sight to any of it. There is no end to it, as long as people keep playing along with the 2 party game.

[M 7]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Here you go Skippy:



Note this is a pie chart of all federal spending, which is of course inclusive of deficit spending. The dollar amounts don't change, just the percentages.

These numbers can all vary $50-$100B or so, depending on the source. Believe me I've looked at a lot of sources and they vary, so we ballpark. The end point is the same.

Total fed revenue from all sources: $2.2Trillion
SS: $720B
Medicare: $491B
Medicaid: $297B
Safety Net Programs: $360B

Right there you have: $1.868 Trillion

That's only $132B remaining of federal revenues.

Still remaining:

"Food"
"Housing"
"Education"

Yes, education. Everything from school lunch program to pell grants.

On the most basic numbers above, without getting into details you have

So, no, you aren't paying for "infrastructure" and neither am I. Taxes go to welfare. Congratulations. You folks have made us Western Europe.

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

And to the title of the thread, *THIS* is why Obama won.

I give this one to certifiedfunds game, set, and match.

Well done, sir, and kudos for managing to quote yourself while doing so.

Bravo!!!

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

And we they object, you will put us in prison and seize our home.

No need for all that because you will pay the taxes, however unfair you feel they may be. Nobody's convictions are so strong that they'd take prison over a little less than they had the year before. It's just pointless chest pounding.

[M 7]

Originally Posted by Stubudd

Of course it's under threat of violence. Why else would anybody go? You'll either go along with the threat, or you'll resist and be kidnapped, or you'll resist enough and get killed. How is that not violent?

Exactly.

Everyone seems to forget that the US Gov't will come and eventually lock your butt up if you don't pay your taxes. Just ask Wesley Snipes.

[Ruble Noon]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

What part of it isn't true? People who vote to have the government seize money under threat of violence to give it to them or someone else, are thieves, by proxy.

Are they too cowardly to do it themselves? Why not just knock on their neighbor's door, stick a gun in their face and demand half their money for their girlfriend's medicine? What's the difference if you vote for a politician to do it for you?

Thief


I am probably the most charitable person you would meet on a daily basis but I wouldn't dare impose that on you.

This is great. He calls you selfish and he is the one voting his way into your bank account. I guess stealing your money is charitable in a retarded democrat kind of way.

[IndianaMatt]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Here you go Skippy:



Note this is a pie chart of all federal spending, which is of course inclusive of deficit spending. The dollar amounts don't change, just the percentages.

These numbers can all vary $50-$100B or so, depending on the source. Believe me I've looked at a lot of sources and they vary, so we ballpark. The end point is the same.

Total fed revenue from all sources: $2.2Trillion
SS: $720B
Medicare: $491B
Medicaid: $297B
Safety Net Programs: $360B

Right there you have: $1.868 Trillion

That's only $132B remaining of federal revenues.

Still remaining:

"Food"
"Housing"
"Education"

Yes, education. Everything from school lunch program to pell grants.

On the most basic numbers above, without getting into details you have

So, no, you aren't paying for "infrastructure" and neither am I. Taxes go to welfare. Congratulations. You folks have made us Western Europe.

So all this chart shows is that a percentage of government funds are mismanaged. How does this equate to government "stealing" from you?

I never said that we don't have a budget crisis in this country, or that government funds are not managed properly. But that is not the same thing as saying that paying taxes is teh same thing as being robbed.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

No need for all that because you will pay the taxes, however unfair you feel they may be. Nobody's convictions are so strong that they'd take prison over a little less than they had the year before. It's just pointless chest pounding.

Only because if I respond with the same violence I would be confronted with, I would be killed and denigrated in the media.

That is what makes you people thieves.

[427]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

No need for all that because you will pay the taxes, however unfair you feel they may be. Nobody's convictions are so strong that they'd take prison over a little less than they had the year before. It's just pointless chest pounding.

I'm not paying taxes, all legally

[M 7]

Originally Posted by Ruble Noon

This is great. He calls you selfish and he is the one voting his way into your bank account. I guess stealing your money is charitable in a retarded democrat kind of way.

Yeah, that sort of hypocrisy is unbelievable.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by IndianaMatt

So all this chart shows is that a percentage of government funds are mismanaged. How does this equate to government "stealing" from you?

I never said that we don't have a budget crisis in this country, or that government funds are not managed properly. But that is not the same thing as saying that paying taxes is teh same thing as being robbed.

No Sport. What it shows is exactly what I said, that 100% of federal revenue is spent on welfare.

It also shows that you don't pay taxes for "infrastructure". All tax revenue is spent on welfare.

You challenged the statistic. There it is.

How is it stealing? Because people vote for government to steal in their stead so that they can keep getting their check.

It is fundamentally no different than armed robbery.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by 427

I'm not paying taxes, all legally

You sir are a patriot.