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Old 11-11-2012, 20:54   #51
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Well, we obviously need to try something else, because what we're doing isn't working.
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Old 11-11-2012, 20:55   #52
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Got to mostly agree with Sporarticus. But politicians cannot heal our land no matter what party they belong to.

Here's the real solution IMO.

II Chronicles 7:14 if My people who are called by My name humble themselves, pray and seek My face, and turn from their evil ways, then I will hear from heaven, forgive their sin, and heal their land.

As long as we advocate abortion, homosexuality, illegal drugs, fornication, denial of God, etc., this land will continue to suffer.

Despite claims to the contrary, this nation was founded upon the principles of the Bible. Only God can heal this land. Today we are going the way of the ancient Israelites when they turned against God at times. If we are too dumb to learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.

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Old 11-11-2012, 20:58   #53
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Truth is the flame suit. But it's not what they want to hear.
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Old 11-11-2012, 20:58   #54
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I see it a different way. They contine to run moderate liberals and lose. The moderate liberals they lost with include Bush 41, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney. GWB only won because of Klinton fatigue, a lousy opponent, good lawyers, and fear of terrorists.

The republicans won't win until they run a conservative who can bring out the base.
Yeah, Romney came out against gay marriage, abortion, planned parenthood, contraception, etc. Howd that pan out for us?
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Old 11-11-2012, 21:00   #55
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Yes sir communists want to do is eliminate Christianity.
No one is advocating the elimination of Christianity.

Religion in govt results in the Taliban regardless of whether they are Muslim or Baptists.
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Old 11-11-2012, 21:02   #56
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Got to mostly agree with Sporarticus. But politicians cannot heal our land no matter what party they belong to.

Here's the real solution IMO.

II Chronicles 7:14 if My people who are called by My name humble themselves, pray and seek My face, and turn from their evil ways, then I will hear from heaven, forgive their sin, and heal their land.

As long as we advocate abortion, homosexuality, illegal drugs, fornication, denial of God, etc., this land will continue to suffer.

Despite claims to the contrary, this nation was founded upon the principles of the Bible. Only God can heal this land. Today we are going the way of the ancient Israelites when they turned against God at times. If we are too dumb to learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.

Flame suit on.
Interesting theory, what do you propose to do with people that don't follow "your" G-d, like me for instance?
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Old 11-11-2012, 21:03   #57
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Yeah, Romney came out against gay marriage, abortion, planned parenthood, contraception, etc. Howd that pan out for us?
No he didn't. More importantly he snubbed the religious right at the convention and he was a Mormon. Ignoring the evangelical right will always get the Repubs a loss...

You can't narrow the group that makes up the Republican Party and expect to win.
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Old 11-11-2012, 21:06   #58
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Well sir, take that to four years from now, and see where it gets us.

Maybe you should look a little harder. Around here they're working their silly asses off and buying real estate.
Maybe there do there. Here 90% of the Latinos I come into contact with are paying with food stamps. So it might be a regional thing.
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Old 11-11-2012, 21:07   #59
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Yeah, Romney came out against gay marriage, abortion, planned parenthood, contraception, etc. Howd that pan out for us?
I think we need to keep in mind that Romney's big push was the economy and jobs.

He was pushed into the defense by the media bigs. I don't think he, (or we, for that matter) really wanted a dog in that fight this time.
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Old 11-11-2012, 21:08   #60
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The really funny thing is that idiots like you want to throw away millions of votes for Repubs. To gain thousands of votes by liberals/progressives/Jewish/libertarians...

The funny thing about people like me is that I don't want to force my beliefs on other people, and I'm not at all surprised when a Republican loses.

And if it amounted to throwing away thousands of right wing conservative votes to only gain a few thousand liberal votes, then why didn't those millions of votes count in the election? Why did we piss off the women and the minorities and not count on our millions of right wing conservative votes to still pull us through and win?

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Every time the republicans lose, they think the answer is to move farther left. And then they lose again.
These terms are confusing. If left and right refer to collectivism and free market capitalism respectively then why do we need to lump social issues in one side or the other. The GOP could move further right economically and lighten up on the social/religious issues. No one is saying they need to become democrats. I'm libertarian and want the GOP to mover further away from the democrats.
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Yeah, Romney came out against gay marriage, abortion, planned parenthood, contraception, etc. Howd that pan out for us?
Well, Romney was for it, before he was against it. Hence the moniker "flip-flopper".
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Old 11-11-2012, 21:09   #63
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I dont think anyone is for abolishing christianity, just the legislating it onto others. It is entirely possible to be a person of faith while respecting other peoples freedoms.
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Yeah, Romney came out against gay marriage, abortion, planned parenthood, contraception, etc. Howd that pan out for us?

Well I lost track of his flip/flops so I may have missed it.... Can you give specific references to what he said when & where?
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The funny thing about people like me is that I don't want to force my beliefs on other people, and I'm not at all surprised when a Republican loses.
Nobody from the Repubs has ever tried to force anything onto idiots like you, or anyone.
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The GOP could move further right economically and lighten up on the social/religious issues.
Apparently not.

I don't mean to disagree, but there seems to be issues the "religious right" will not compromise or sell out. I was surprised when I learned they didn't come out to vote. It was encouraging and frustrating at the same time.
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Old 11-11-2012, 21:12   #67
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tldr. Yessir... too many fags, sluts and colonists. Gotta roll with the punches.
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Guys, I really do believe we need to be how we can pull people up, not how we can push them out.

I'm an evangelical Lutheran. But my faith does not dictate my politics. I voted for Romney because of his fiscal policy, period.

Being specifically excluded probably wouldn't be a big deal for me, but I can think of hundreds of others that might make it a big deal, and that's just in my small rural community.

We need to quit focusing on who to exclude or include next time. We need to focus on how we can help pull everyone up to prosperity.
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Ignoring the evangelical right will always get the Repubs a loss...

You can't narrow the group that makes up the Republican Party and expect to win.
Unfortunately you might be right. 58% of republicans still believe in biblical creationism and 31% believe God guided evolution. What the GOP really needs is education.
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Unfortunately you might be right. 58% of republicans still believe in biblical creationism and 31% believe God guided evolution. What the GOP really needs is education.
Yeah, an education on how to deal with threats. The muslim world should have been a sheet of glass by 9-12-2001. Even a Dem knew when to pull the trigger... (Harry)
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Too late. They ditched you, and you LOST. You are the LOSER.
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Well I lost track of his flip/flops so I may have missed it.... Can you give specific references to what he said when & where?
"I want to eliminate planned parenthood".

The chances of that ever happening are almost zero so why even say it? It was a pointless and dumb statement that cost him an ass load of votes.
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Well I lost track of his flip/flops so I may have missed it.... Can you give specific references to what he said when & where?
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But as a nation, we recognize the right of all people to believe as they want and not to impose our beliefs on other people. I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law, and the right of a woman to make that choice, and my personal beliefs, like the personal beliefs of other people, should not be brought into a political campaign.
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Unfortunately you might be right. 58% of republicans still believe in biblical creationism and 31% believe God guided evolution. What the GOP really needs is education.
You can continue to be "smart" and lose more freedoms everyday or realize those of faith don't pose a threat to you and cultivate their support...
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Apparently not.

I don't mean to disagree, but there seems to be issues the "religious right" will not compromise or sell out. I was surprised when I learned they didn't come out to vote. It was encouraging and frustrating at the same time.
You might be right. I guess someone needs to do some research to figure out how the GOP can optimize voter turnout. Maybe a certain number of evangelicals will vote republican no matter what and the GOP can make up the difference with independent or minority votes. Maybe the evangelical base is still so large and stubborn that ignoring everyone else is the best strategy. That's really a question for mathematicians. It's sad they have to pander to the lowest common denominator.
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