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Old 11-11-2012, 08:03   #201
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the bulk of your cuts are to the military, while your tax increases fall disproportionally to the producers.

first thing *I* would do (if I had the power) would be to ELIMINATE the authority of the government to withold federal taxes from paychecks...

every working person (and i mean EVERYONE) would have to cut a quarterly check for the amount of government they choose to buy.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:13   #202
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the bulk of your cuts are to the military, while your tax increases fall disproportionally to the producers.

first thing *I* would do (if I had the power) would be to ELIMINATE the authority of the government to withold federal taxes from paychecks...

every working person (and i mean EVERYONE) would have to cut a quarterly check for the amount of government they choose to buy.
First part is a Lie.

I made a pretty big hack into SS and Medicare as well.


Eliminate the government withholding... that's your proposal... our budget is SAVED!

Government is not al-la-Carte.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:43   #203
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so, you're going to hope the bad guys in the world will stop being mean to us, you're CUTTING (do you hear me? CUTTING the Park Service!!!!) and you're going to throw Grandma off the cliff?

and WHY don't you want our kids to be educated & safe???? you're going to cut PUBLIC SAFETY programs? oh, the horror!
The U.S. defense industry is sustained by perceived threats. Do the current threats mirror the scale that the Soviets projected? No. Cutting defense spending intelligently is the responsible thing to do in light of the nation's economic situation.

Your comment about throwing grandma off the cliff is a classic example of how people tend to think: answering a complex question (how to solve the healthcare coverage/care/cost dilemma) with a simple answer from a pool of possible answers one is familiar with (painting a picture of injustice). But in the end, it really doesn't do much to help us understand the complexity of choices and their consequences.

Btw, there's a great book by Daniel Kahneman that explains the way our minds work called Thinking, Fast and Slow. Highly recommended.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:49   #204
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Eliminate the government withholding... that's your proposal... our budget is SAVED!
my proposal would DRASTICALLY cut the size and scope of the federal government in relatively short order.

and it would do it in a sensible way.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:06   #205
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my proposal would DRASTICALLY cut the size and scope of the federal government in relatively short order.

and it would do it in a sensible way.
Al-la-carte... that's your solution. You should open a store and people only pay if they feel like it.

Now this is the point where people like me leave a discussion.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:53   #206
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Post-election Hysteria and Reality

I was ready for a Romney/Ryan win, reminding myself we all survived Bush, Cheney and Rove. What a lot of crap they heaped on us, but we survived and some really thrived. On their watch we witnessed 911, weapons of mass destruction, the collapse of Wall Street, and unprecedented government growth, to name a few “big picture” items. Yet with Obama’s victory, we see hysteria about the alleged tyranny of Obama Care and the coming of socialized medicine (seems the greatest generation has embraced Medicare fully and even my closest, wealthiest friends do not refuse their social security checks).

Yes, despite 4 years of Obama, Capitalism is managing...the stock market is up since he took office, inflation is low and unemployment has fallen. Bush tax cuts have survived. Gun purchases and private carry are unprecedented. Yet the NRA can still elicit great fear about how 2nd Amendment rights are being attacked. Militarily, we are mighty--who can seriously challenge us? Obama from many liberal quarters has been viewed as too ready to kill without a trial. What is the communist, socialist threat to our country? We are not Sweden or Nederland.

Yes, we have a huge national debt and the Chinese own quite a bit of it. The more they own of us, the more they want to see our country viable enough to pay it back. Nations of the world and their economies are interdependent--we have to live with that and isolationism is dead.

Why the hysteria? As the Rabbi pointed out life has not changed dramatically. One of the greatest things about our country is the fact that we do have the freedom to speak out--voice different perspectives. I think it can be argued that having a diversity of viewpoints and attitudes is healthy, in a similar way to the role of diversity in the gene pool. Variation in gene pool allows for selection of the fittest as the environment changes. Same for the best ideas. While we are in the middle of, it is hard to know what is best, most adaptive--even in principle.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:57   #207
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I was ready for a Romney/Ryan win, reminding myself we all survived Bush, Cheney and Rove. What a lot of crap they heaped on us, but we survived and some really thrived. On their watch we witnessed 911, weapons of mass destruction, the collapse of Wall Street, and unprecedented government growth, to name a few “big picture” items. Yet with Obama’s victory, we see hysteria about the alleged tyranny of Obama Care and the coming of socialized medicine (seems the greatest generation has embraced Medicare fully and even my closest, wealthiest friends do not refuse their social security checks).

Yes, despite 4 years of Obama, Capitalism is managing...the stock market is up since he took office, inflation is low and unemployment has fallen. Bush tax cuts have survived. Gun purchases and private carry are unprecedented. Yet the NRA can still elicit great fear about how 2nd Amendment rights are being attacked. Militarily, we are mighty--who can seriously challenge us? Obama from many liberal quarters has been viewed as too ready to kill without a trial. What is the communist, socialist threat to our country? We are not Sweden or Nederland.

Yes, we have a huge national debt and the Chinese own quite a bit of it. The more they own of us, the more they want to see our country viable enough to pay it back. Nations of the world and their economies are interdependent--we have to live with that and isolationism is dead.

Why the hysteria? As the Rabbi pointed out life has not changed dramatically. One of the greatest things about our country is the fact that we do have the freedom to speak out--voice different perspectives. I think it can be argued that having a diversity of viewpoints and attitudes is healthy, in a similar way to the role of diversity in the gene pool. Variation in gene pool allows for selection of the fittest as the environment changes. Same for the best ideas. While we are in the middle of, it is hard to know what is best, most adaptive--even in principle.

This was well put my friend....

I'm trying to look at it as in 4 more years we def don't have to worry about O coming back and I feel pretty good about Marco rubio or Christie.

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Old 11-11-2012, 14:39   #208
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The level of lack of reading comprehension in your post is shocking. I was pointing out that the Republican establishment and a lot of people who claim to be supporters of the party espouse those views and that those views are wrong.
No my reading comprehension is fine. I have seen none of those things about a minorities. Sure those terms were used about some Obama voters, but no tie was made to minorities. You made that connection which belies your bigotry.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:07   #209
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Thomas Jefferson sums up what has happened the best:
“When all government, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the Center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated”
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