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Old 11-12-2012, 21:54   #61
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Spoken like a true Democrat.


Would you vote Republican if this was the case?... or would you find some other issue to dangle out there like a carrot on a stick.

Are you a woman?
Oh trust me, I'd love to vote Republican, and I would be more than happy to, if they could actually nominate someone who could win. I'd prefer to vote republican, and never vote democrat. But it's not even worth my time if they just keep nominating idiots who can't bother to keep their mouth shuts and get elected.

All I'm saying is that if you need women and minority voters, and you keep nominating people who will push political agendas that end up pissing off the women and the minorities, it doesn't matter what you claim, whether you think it's moralistically right, or whether you think it's the right direction your party needs to take, you're never going to get elected. Republicans need to accept the fact that either they appease to the voters and make them happy, or they just close up shop and let the democrats win forever.

If the republicans want to win, then they need to suck it up, appease to the voters, and maybe they'll win. If you never appease to the voters, then they'll never vote for you, it's honestly just that simple.
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Old 11-12-2012, 21:56   #62
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I want a very limited federal government.
Well you're not gonna get that if you keep letting the democrats win.
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Old 11-12-2012, 22:07   #63
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The Dems won because half the country wants to sit on their ass and receive free stuff. And they're the same people that are too stupid to understand that sitting on your ass waiting for free stuff only works as long as there are more people working than sitting on their asses. Which, thanks to the Dems, there isn't anymore. Simple.

But as we all know, except the Dems, socialism has never worked. Isn't working. And will never work. So the system will eventually implode on itself. And that day is 4 years closer than it was before Nov. 6.

Yeah, there's a small base of communist, American hating tree huggers out there, buy they don't count for much. It's the wellfare babies that won the election.
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Old 11-12-2012, 22:10   #64
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Well you're not gonna get that if you keep letting the democrats win.
I will agree with you on that.

I think abortion on demand is a dirty business. Abortion shouldn't be thought of as just another form of birth control.

But... I do find it ironic that by fighting this issue we have ended up with what may be the most PRO_abortion President ever.

Obama may have been the most pro-abortion candidate of all the Democrat choices in 2008. Who else would find it acceptable to let a baby who survived an attempted abortion, lay without care until dead?

Roe v. Wade will NOT be overturned anyway, so the abortion issue is a dream come true for Democrats, and I will agree Republicans may want to rethink the strategy on this.

Don't ask me to pay for abortions. I want no part of it.
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Old 11-12-2012, 22:13   #65
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Who wants to win if you have to become what you despise in order to do it?
The two party system?
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Old 11-12-2012, 22:24   #66
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Old 11-12-2012, 22:25   #67
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I will agree with you on that.

I think abortion on demand is a dirty business. Abortion shouldn't be thought of as just another form of birth control.

But... I do find it ironic that by fighting this issue we have ended up with what may be the most PRO_abortion President ever.

Obama may have been the most pro-abortion candidate of all the Democrat choices in 2008. Who else would find it acceptable to let a baby who survived an attempted abortion, lay without care until dead?

Roe v. Wade will NOT be overturned anyway, so the abortion issue is a dream come true for Democrats, and I will agree Republicans may want to rethink the strategy on this.

Don't ask me to pay for abortions. I want no part of it.
I'm with you on the not paying for abortions, that's not the responsibility of the government. We're spending too much as it is, people need to start manning up and accepting responsibility for what they do, and pay for it too. However, trying to outlaw abortion is completely asinine, when the voter base is okay with abortion, and doesn't want to vote for someone who tries to take that away from them. Abortion is here to stay, the sooner we accept it and move on, the sooner we're that much closer to getting a republican in the white house again.

And like I said, the same thing with the immigration issue. We need the minority vote to win an election. Having a flat out anti-illegal political agenda, when the minorities tend to favor candidates who have a pro-illegal political agenda, again is completely asinine.

You might not like it, but keeping firm on the positions people don't like and don't want to hear about is what's keeping the republican party out of the white house.

Respect women, let them make their own decisions, try to figure out a way to appear friendly to illegals while still actually trying to get them out of the country, and we'll have a better chance at getting elected than flat out saying no illegals and no abortion.
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The two political parties are perfectly willing to become what they despise in order to win. Didn't mean to be cryptic. My bad.
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Old 11-12-2012, 22:35   #69
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I'm with you on the not paying for abortions, that's not the responsibility of the government. We're spending too much as it is, people need to start manning up and accepting responsibility for what they do, and pay for it too. However, trying to outlaw abortion is completely asinine, when the voter base is okay with abortion, and doesn't want to vote for someone who tries to take that away from them. Abortion is here to stay, the sooner we accept it and move on, the sooner we're that much closer to getting a republican in the white house again.

And like I said, the same thing with the immigration issue. We need the minority vote to win an election. Having a flat out anti-illegal political agenda, when the minorities tend to favor candidates who have a pro-illegal political agenda, again is completely asinine.

You might not like it, but keeping firm on the positions people don't like and don't want to hear about is what's keeping the republican party out of the white house.

Respect women, let them make their own decisions, try to figure out a way to appear friendly to illegals while still actually trying to get them out of the country, and we'll have a better chance at getting elected than flat out saying no illegals and no abortion.
I posted before that while I don't agree with granting amnesty to illegals. If it does happen, it should be with the condition that they will not be allowed to vote.

I heard Rush Limbaugh saying something similar last week, but he said something like no voting for twenty years.

I know Democrats would not go along with that, for the same reason they oppose voter ID.

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Old 11-12-2012, 22:38   #70
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Respect women,
Is that what Bill Clinton does?
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Old 11-12-2012, 22:39   #71
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I posted before that while I don't agree with granting amnesty to illegals. If it does happen, it should be with the condition that they will not be allowed to vote.

I heard Rush Limbaugh saying something similar last week, but he said something like no voting for twenty years.

I know Democrats would not go along with that, for the same reason they oppose voter ID.
I don't agree with amnesty for illegals either. I personally think every illegal needs to be kicked out of the country and sent to the back of the line. Want to come into our country? We'd be more than happy to have you, as long as you do it legally. However, if amnesty is granted to illegals, I agree with you, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. They'd be given amnesty, not citizenship. If they are given actual citizenship, then I do think they should be allowed to vote, and they should also have to pay taxes, just like every other citizen out there.
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Old 11-12-2012, 22:41   #72
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Is that what Bill Clinton does?
At least he didn't try to take away her choice to do what she wants with her body when he was done with her.
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Old 11-13-2012, 00:38   #73
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The socialist whine for wealth redistribution but when their argument fails they resort to basic government functions. Typical.
What line of work are you in? Which taxpayer funded benefits do you think you could do without?
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:50   #74
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What line of work are you in? Which taxpayer funded benefits do you think you could do without?
Every single one that seizes money from one person and gives it to another.

Social Security
Medicare
Medicad
Section 8 housing assistance
Obamacare
School lunch program
"Food Stamps"

..........for example

Which ones of those do you utilize?
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:29   #75
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Is that what Bill Clinton does?


Move voted for him than Mittens.

You can go around in circles for many pages on this (and you will) but without the woman and Hispanic vote y'all will always be in 2nd place.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:03   #76
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The difference is you people depend on it for everything
Your position does not gain by making extreme statements without foundation.

The simple fact is that everyone gains by some parts of government expenditure. It is part of the reason that government exists. Some things only governments can do effectively. Defending borders is one. Creating a road network is another because having tolls on all roads would be too cumbersome and would be a hindrance to economic effectiveness which benefits all.

Education is more arguable. In a modern technological society it is important that all children are reasonably educated within their ability levels. They need to be able to work and they need to vote intelligently. The problem comes when ideology is allowed into the mix. Should morons receive the same or greater expenditure on "education" as the average child. The real answer is no, because the government should not be spending tax payers money on charity but only on things which have a general benefit.

Government funded general health care is a bottomless pit and should never be started. Medical technology becomes ever more complex and expensive so that there is ever more reason for the sick to demand more and more expensive treatment. Government funded specific health care is a different matter. If, for instance, there is widespread TB, it is to the benefit of everyone if it is treated on a nationwide scale and erradicated or brought under control.

Wide scale financial support for the poor or feckless is another bottomless pit which should never have been entered into. Temporary support in extraordinary circumstances might be justified but care must be taken to prevent this becoming an entitlement or "right". People have the right to die of old age, accident or illness but not the right to be kept alive at enormous expense for an indefinite period.

And so on.

One of the major principles of a free county is the right to property. That should underly all government policy. Tax in itself breaks that principle and so can be justified only on things which are to the general good rather than the good of a section of the electorate who will vote for the party proposing some expenditure which brfeaks that principle for the good of some section of the electorate.

Once this principle is broken, all political parties hoping to be elected end in a race to give away more and more of other people's money. This is just as true of the Republicans as it is of the Democrats. They give money to voters to buy their votes. They give money to the rich to get big contributions for election expenses. The US Constitution has failed to prevent this and has thereby failed to maintain the existence of the USA as a free country.

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Saying Romney wants to ban all abortions, except for cases of rape or incest. Which takes away the option for women to have abortions from unwanted pregnancy. Which pisses off women. It's their body, let them do with it as they will.
It's interesting that conservatives want the government out of their lives but want the government to exercise Draconian control over people who have sex the wrong way, use the wrong drugs, or want to have an abortion. It's freedom for me and lock everyone else up, but don't raise my taxes to pay for them being locked up. And they wonder why thoughtful people can't take them seriously.
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