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Old 11-15-2012, 09:20   #21
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[QUOTE=Fred Hansen;19633592]Free speech isn't protected against the vagaries of whatever rules a private employer may wish to adopt/enforce. The private employer is the final arbiter of what can/cannot be said by their employee; at least when it pertains to the workplace. And... is there any protection to anyone from a employer who wants to restrain their freedom of speech when not on company time? Should there be any free speech protection afforded to anyone... public or private, when speaking as a private citizen and not "on the clock?"

Unfortunately for you, these are public indoctrination camp employees, and thus are not private employees. The 1st Amendment to COTUS specifically restricts federal law from stopping/thwarting/denying free speech (See: Prior Restraint) and both South Carolina's and Ohio's constitutions are quite plain in their preservation of the right to free speech vis-à-vis governmental suppression/oppression. And Ohio in particular even has a clause in its constitution that specifically prohibits any one of its citizens from being compelled to religiously worship a deity. So... you are fine with a public employee being muzzled by his/her employer. How do you feel about a private employer muzzling employees? Is this a net good when applied to public employees only or does it extend to all employees?

I'd say that the Secular Humanist Marxist Messiah can be said to fit that criteria. Wouldn't you?

Having said that, I have no sympathy for anyone stupid enough to work for said public indoctrination camps. Immutable universal law has demonstrated time-and-again that stupid hurts. Too bad, so sad. So... you are self-educated? And... you have a degree in... universal law?
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:20   #22
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Sounds like the Sedition Act Part II....



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Old 11-15-2012, 09:22   #23
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These teachers are public employees paid with taxpayer money, komrade. The speech occurred outside of their workplace.
So... they speak in a non-employment setting and are to be subjected to sanction by their employer? So... are you comfortable with an employer being permitted to censor free speech?
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:24   #24
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Brucev is not one to quietly accept the idea of 'fair & balanced' so I doubt he/she will get any hint whatsoever about the injustice of choking off one group while encouraging another.

Nope.

"Yes we can, can, can..." blather, blather Propaganda.. remember?
From what one can gather here at gt, there is no problem with censoring the speech of people who are teachers, etc. There does not appear to be such support for the general employer censoring of speech by employees when not on the clock.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:32   #25
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So... they speak in a non-employment setting and are to be subjected to sanction by their employer? So... are you comfortable with an employer being permitted to censor free speech?
A private employer, yes. Of course. I represent my employer 24-7. I'm bound by an ethics and conduct agreement.

A public employer, no. First amendment restricts the government from exactly what happened here. She was criticizing the government.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:36   #26
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This is all quite contrary from what I experienced in My sons public middle school.
2 days before elections my son came home telling me that a teacher told them that they the kids need to remind the parents to vote for Obama because Romney send all the jobs to China and we all be unemployed if he wins.

I can't even begin to tell you how I felt about this not only about the misinformation and outright lying but also to call kids to arms by teachers with a agenda.
And getting into things no school should meddle in.
I called the school and school board to complain and asking for a investigation and also emailed that teacher and gave her a huge piece of my mind but don't see anything happening beyond that point.

It is really sad when teacher stop to teach and instead using the classroom for whatever agendas the deem fit and that goes both ways.
This stuff has no room in a classroom.
What a teacher says outside of school to Facebook or wherever is their believe and business but school should be taboo of that.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:39   #27
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Okay...we'll put you down as "unclear on the concept".
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:53   #28
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There have always been amazingly gifted, dedicated, and successful teachers... it's just that they are so rare, and obviously not well liked by the establishment.
I couldn't agree more. My wife was teacher that was highly respected - parents went to the school at the beginning of the year to try a make sure their kids got in her class.

Then politics got in the way and inferior teachers were getting promoted. Finally, the union came in and she wanted no part of that. She loved the kids but just couldn't take the crap from the administration and unions.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:22   #29
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Old 11-15-2012, 18:25   #30
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No. Not unclear. No support for any teacher/administrator being able to use the classroom as a venue for the expression of their own political beliefs.
You must have missed the part where the teachers posted their thoughts on Facebook using their personal accounts. Read it again, Slow.
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I couldn't agree more. My wife was teacher that was highly respected - parents went to the school at the beginning of the year to try a make sure their kids got in her class.

Then politics got in the way and inferior teachers were getting promoted. Finally, the union came in and she wanted no part of that. She loved the kids but just couldn't take the crap from the administration and unions.
Your wife leaving was a loss to the children.... not that THAT will bother union moguls or admin boot lickers.

No public service group should be unionized.
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Old 11-15-2012, 18:35   #32
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You must have missed the part where the teachers posted their thoughts on Facebook using their personal accounts. Read it again, Slow.
I always type my replies very slow to Bruce. Doesn't seem to help.

He still has trouble with the quote button....let alone thinking about what someone tells him in the replies before he responds...
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Old 11-15-2012, 21:16   #33
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I always type my replies very slow to Bruce. Doesn't seem to help.

He still has trouble with the quote button....let alone thinking about what someone tells him in the replies before he responds...
He doesn't need to think. He spews the same Marxist bilge no matter what.
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Old 11-15-2012, 21:41   #34
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Free speech isn't protected against the vagaries of whatever rules a private employer may wish to adopt/enforce. The private employer is the final arbiter of what can/cannot be said by their employee; at least when it pertains to the workplace. And... is there any protection to anyone from a employer who wants to restrain their freedom of speech when not on company time? Should there be any free speech protection afforded to anyone... public or private, when speaking as a private citizen and not "on the clock?"

Unfortunately for you, these are public indoctrination camp employees, and thus are not private employees. The 1st Amendment to COTUS specifically restricts federal law from stopping/thwarting/denying free speech (See: Prior Restraint) and both South Carolina's and Ohio's constitutions are quite plain in their preservation of the right to free speech vis-à-vis governmental suppression/oppression. And Ohio in particular even has a clause in its constitution that specifically prohibits any one of its citizens from being compelled to religiously worship a deity. So... you are fine with a public employee being muzzled by his/her employer. How do you feel about a private employer muzzling employees? Is this a net good when applied to public employees only or does it extend to all employees?

I'd say that the Secular Humanist Marxist Messiah can be said to fit that criteria. Wouldn't you?

Having said that, I have no sympathy for anyone stupid enough to work for said public indoctrination camps. Immutable universal law has demonstrated time-and-again that stupid hurts. Too bad, so sad. So... you are self-educated? And... you have a degree in... universal law?


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Old 11-16-2012, 20:21   #35
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Dang! No reply Bruce?

I was dying to see how cool that cluster **** of a quote would look in BruceVB Code™.

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The public indoctrination system is slowly exposing itself for what it is.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:38   #37
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The public indoctrination system is slowly exposing itself for what it is.
Yes, I think so, too......but, it's very very slow.

It could be quick, if the news outlets that most non-interested people rely on, were not agenda driven.

Most people still cling to the notion that giving more and more money to public schools is the answer......but, that's part of the problem. The more money they have to expand, the more social engineering we get......

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Yes, I think so, too......but, it's very very slow.

It could be quick, if the news outlets that most non-interested people rely on, were not agenda driven.

Most people still cling to the notion that giving more and more money to public schools is the answer......but, that's part of the problem. The more money they have to expand, the more social engineering we get......

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Old 11-17-2012, 08:21   #39
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Congrats to those dependent on government, homosexuals, potheads, JAY-Z fans, non-Christians, non-taxpayers, illegals, communists, Muslims, planned murder clinics, enemies of America, Satan You WON,” the unidentified teacher wrote.


And you wonder why Obama won another term. Somebody tell this guy and the rest of the GOP it is not the 1950's anymore. This way of thinking is not going to get you into the White House or any other office for that matter. Unfortunately for you homosexuals, potheads, NON CHRISTIANS, Muslims and PLANNED MURDER CLINICS are American voters. The good ole boy network's members are a dieing breed and no longer have the power to put "one of their own" in the big chair anymore. So either open your minds or shrink and die away.
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Both teachers need to sue the parents who complained for filing malicious and discriminatory complaints.
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