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Old 11-17-2012, 16:00   #21
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Older Colt pistols are good to go, but today's pistols have serious quality control issues.

Once upon a time Colt produced a quality product.
Those days are far behind us now.

It's a shame that the original producer of 1911 pistols has sunk so low.
You're hittin some good pipe there my friend. Colt 1911s are much better than they've ever been. I'm not the only person to believe this, many well known smiths will agree. They had problems in the 80s but since, they're some of the better production 1911s out there.
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Old 11-17-2012, 16:25   #22
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Last I heard, there were only a few people who worked in Colt's Custom Shop, so if that's true, there's a gonna be a LOOONG wait, before they get the first 4000 out the door. Personally, I don't see what warrants this gun to spend ANY time in the CS. Is that where they paint them tan and install the grips?
Really? Who'd you "hear" that from? What would you know/could you know by looking at a picture? Please be specific.

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I haven't even handled, much less shot one of these, but I'd be willing to bet that they won't be able to carry a DW Specialists's jock
Let's stop at the first part shall we? The point was that it will sell, sorry..... it has a pony on it and it looks to be a well built gun. The regular railed colts are great little guns so I imagine these will be too but we'll see.

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And the Specialist isn't a "custom shop" gun. If someone wants to drop 2K on one of these, for the sake of owning a "military issued" 1911 that also happens to have the word Colt on the side of it, then knock yourself out and place an order. To each his own. But you couldn't sell me one for 1K. There's not a DAMN thing about them that I like. Not a rail fan. Not an ambi fan. Not a smooth front strap fan. And I'm not a desert tan paint job fan either.
That's great. You're not a fan, we get it. Ambi's, Rails, and Cerakote is all about preference but obviously very functional to those that would actually shoot it. Either way if people can drop $1500+ on a Mimber.... I can see these moving.
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Old 11-17-2012, 17:18   #23
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Look, concerning price versus value.

To the "arm chair warrior", he will pay whatever it cost, simply to point to his treasured pistol and tell his friend that that's the same pistol that the Marines carry.

That means it kills your enemies "deader".

Consider, the 1873 Colt Single Action Army has been obsolete for nearly a century....Yet...the Colt Custom shop still cranks them out for over $1500.00 a pop.

AND....insult to injury, they are not even authentic to the originals. Yet... people continue to buy them.

As to the lack of quality control....It does not matter!

Most will never even be fired.

Returning to my Peace Maker example, until the growth of "Cowboy action shooting" most of the modern 1873's were never fired or even cocked.

Look no further than a Gun Show in your area.

With little trouble you will almost certainly find a N.I.B. third generation pistol still with it's tags and zip tie on the hammer.

Now try to find one that is used, but good condition...

I'll bet you can't find one.

Funny story about "Cowboy" shooters...many of those guy's bought the Colts form collectors who owned them for years, only to find out that they were defective and needed to be returned to Colt to have them corrected.

Timing issues, aiming issues, ever firing issues.

Colt made a "bundle" cranking those puppies out...Knowing that they would likely never be fired.

In closing...Colt Firearms Mfg. Co. is NOT your friend.

They are nearly Bankrupt for a reason.
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Old 11-17-2012, 17:23   #24
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Probably, but I won't be able to tell you till I handle one or see a price. Dan Wesson will probably be stiff competition I'm sure.
My Dan Wesson Valor makes Colt look like a piece of junk. I can't stand the cratered lettering.
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Old 11-17-2012, 17:47   #25
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My Dan Wesson Valor makes Colt look like a piece of junk. I can't stand the cratered lettering.
Yep, comparing a $1500-1700 Valor to a stock Colt shows a significant difference for sure.

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The pistols are crap. Let me find you a link...

Here it is:
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=72301&page=10 Look at the pics in post #197.
Yet somehow it beated out the IMBEL that was in the same trial. If the Colt trial ones were broken that badly, I'd hate to see what the IMBELs were like.
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Lks like a painted Rail Gun to me,.........no thanks!
It is a painted Rail Gun.
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Old 11-17-2012, 19:19   #28
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It is a painted Rail Gun.
Yep,......looks like a painted Rail Gun, none for me!
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Old 11-17-2012, 22:47   #29
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Yep, comparing a $1500-1700 Valor to a stock Colt shows a significant difference for sure.
You're paying too much, I got mine for $1,350 delivered, only a few hundred more than a Colt. Both are production guns, not custom. For a little more you get a tight fit, front strap checkering, non-cratered lettering, and night sights.

I do have to say I really like the new Colt Mustang .380.
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Old 11-17-2012, 23:37   #30
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You're paying too much, I got mine for $1,350 delivered,
Yep and I paid $50 more for my Les Baer TRS than you paid for your Valor, doesn't mean it's commonplace. The going rate for Valors is exactly what I said. Unless you can provide a link?

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Both are production guns, not custom. For a little more you get a tight fit, front strap checkering, non-cratered lettering, and night sights.
Glad you're up to speed on this. Never said either was custom, however you're not making an apples to apples comparison. Hopefully that's obvious? As far as the particular guns that are involved this thread, let's wait and see how the look when they come out to compare to be fair....
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I wonder how it is compared to springfields MC operator or double star's 1911. Either way, I'd still go with a Dan Wesson. Whatever happened with the nighthawk GRP? I thought that was built for some special forces guys.

Those pics looks like the casting job on my SR1911
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:02   #32
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I think it's important to remember that, despite the fact Colt's going to be selling these as the "MARSOC gun," they're built differently from the guns that're going to the Marines. Those are specifically not hand-fit in the custom shop.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:25   #33
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I think it's important to remember that, despite the fact Colt's going to be selling these as the "MARSOC gun," they're built differently from the guns that're going to the Marines. Those are specifically not hand-fit in the custom shop.
I don't think you have any clue what are talking about. Hint: YOu REALLY need to watch the video that was posted in the first post.
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Yep and I paid $50 more for my Les Baer TRS than you paid for your Valor, doesn't mean it's commonplace. The going rate for Valors is exactly what I said. Unless you can provide a link?
From today's Gunbroker, here's a LNIB for less than I paid:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=316477894
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I like it. Now would I pay that much for it, I don't know. Wish it did have some form of checkering or stippling on the front strap for the amount of money I'd be paying.
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:58   #36
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From today's Gunbroker, here's a LNIB for less than I paid:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=316477894
Posting a link for used gun auction that hasn't sold yet is intellectually disingenuous at best. Want me to go through the trouble to post the majority of NEW Valors on GB and their asking price? Again, provide some links of some retail sites to show they don't go for ~$1500-1700 new.

If you bought yours used then great, you got an OK deal, if you have some site that sells them new and delivered for what you paid then post up.
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Posting a link for used gun auction that hasn't sold yet is intellectually disingenuous at best.
No, that gun will probably go for a few hundred more than a similar condition Colt, and with a lot more features.

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Want me to go through the trouble to post the majority of NEW Valors on GB and their asking price?
I want you to go to the trouble of shopping around and find a deal like I did, as most people do when buying a gun. Who buys a gun for the first price they see?

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Again, provide some links of some retail sites to show they don't go for ~$1500-1700 new.

If you bought yours used then great, you got an OK deal, if you have some site that sells them new and delivered for what you paid then post up.
Again, mine was new for $1,350 delivered, and a guy on the DW forum said he got one for $1,300 delivered. Mine is SS, which is less than the black DWs, but only a few hundred more than a SS Colt.
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I was actually in the Marines and had buddies who were actually issued 1911's (I was just a Grunt. If we let them get that close we screwed up) But they were just beat to hell old colts for the most part. They all go bang. I'm not a fan of the new pistols. I'd just buy a Springfield railed TRP or a Pro before I'd get the Colt.

I agree tho that lots of people will buy them. I like a great 1911 as much as the next guy but were I to go back in the **** I'd take my Glock.
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For me it is over priced and not something I would not spend that kind of money.
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