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Old 11-17-2012, 23:01   #26
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So Obama can't make an assault weapons ban himself and get it approved by making an executive order instead of trying to get it passed through congress?
Thats right
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:59   #27
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The level of paranoia and the behavior of ammo hoarders is beyond ridiculous, and is the main reason why I've pretty much not purchased any significant amounts of any ammo is a long, long time.

I think it's possible that we're approaching or near the top of what is an irrational ammunition bubble, but bubbles can persist for far longer than many ever thought possible.
6 months ago ammo prices reflected the input costs + the mark up margin historically seen in the industry. Bobbles are characterized by margin levels that far exceed what is normal. In the past 6 months, prices have risen about 35% for the least expensive loads, while mid range and costlier load pricing has remained constant.

Furthermore, the administration can cause ammuntion input costs to rise simply by requiring military brass be shredded before being recycled. Half of the brass cased centerfire ammo fired in the US each year is loaded in recycled military brass. The administration can also restrict supply by defining bimetal jacketed bullets as armor piercing, which would prohibit import, have the EPA find that lead bullets harm the environment to prohibit lead bullets under the clean water act, and use money already apprpropriated to buy all domestic production of military and law enforcement calibers.

I certainly hope that you are right, but to remain in business as a firearns instructor, I have to hedge. This year my hedge has been to stock up on ammo in case retail availability dries up. In 2009, avaiability recovered by years end. I hope the same occurs, because I only have a 2 year supply.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:00   #28
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The level of paranoia and the behavior of ammo hoarders is beyond ridiculous, and is the main reason why I've pretty much not purchased any significant amounts of any ammo is a long, long time.

I think it's possible that we're approaching or near the top of what is an irrational ammunition bubble, but bubbles can persist for far longer than many ever thought possible.

Look how long the housing bubble lasted...
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:41   #29
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It is not going to get cheaper. It goes up a good deal every year and recently thanks to the internet when ATK and other big ammo manufacturers send out a letter about a big price hike it is viral right then. Paranoid hoarder or someone that really wants to shoot and is in it for the long haul?

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Old 11-18-2012, 08:42   #30
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Yea I stopped into my LGS yesterday when I noticed I was under my min for LR primers. And what does he have -8 or 9 cases of PMC 55gr FMJ!! First time I saw cases in the shop. So unfortunately my wallet got alot lighter as I walked out with a case. Can never have enough ammo!


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Old 11-18-2012, 12:08   #31
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So Obama can't make an assault weapons ban himself and get it approved by making an executive order instead of trying to get it passed through congress?
It's not a matter of whether he can or cannot. It's more a matter of if he tries to do it anyway, who will stop him?

If he needs a law to adjust, why not use the one Reagan the original RINO signed in 1986?

Four years ago, I told the chicken littles here that the demorats didn't have the political will to give the repubicans gun control as an issue, that they remembered what happened in 1994 and their plans were much broader than just gun control. I was right.

Now, I am saying that even though we don't think Obama can legally use Executive Orders, don't be surprised if he does or tries. If he does, does it take an act of Congress, including the Senate to reverse it? Or will it take the SCOTUS? Either way, if he does, it won't go well for us.
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It's not a matter of whether he can or cannot. It's more a matter of if he tries to do it anyway, who will stop him?

If he needs a law to adjust, why not use the one Reagan the original RINO signed in 1986?

Four years ago, I told the chicken littles here that the demorats didn't have the political will to give the repubicans gun control as an issue, that they remembered what happened in 1994 and their plans were much broader than just gun control. I was right.

Now, I am saying that even though we don't think Obama can legally use Executive Orders, don't be surprised if he does or tries. If he does, does it take an act of Congress, including the Senate to reverse it? Or will it take the SCOTUS? Either way, if he does, it won't go well for us.
Even if he tried, who the hell would enforce it? I highly doubt local cops will start knocking on doors to enfore an executive order. The federal agencies don't have the manpower to do it, and I'm not so sure they WOULD do it. In the end it would be an action with no legal weight and no muscle to make it stick.
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Old 11-18-2012, 13:04   #33
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Just stopped at Cabela's in Hartford, Connecticut. They are LOADED with ammo. Cases, boxes, all calibers. They even have 9mm on sale.

20 minutes away, the Walmart has virtually empty ammo shelves, and for ammo that is more expensive...
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Just stopped at Cabela's in Hartford, Connecticut. They are LOADED with ammo. Cases, boxes, all calibers. They even have 9mm on sale.

20 minutes away, the Walmart has virtually empty ammo shelves, and for ammo that is more expensive...

It seems at least some of the Wal-Mart warehouses are low or out of common calibers, and that's drastically affecting supplies in the stores. I guess they havent been buying enough to keep up with demand.

It does seem like there has been somewhat of a run, but nowhere near as bad as 08. I haven't seen the nasty examples of price gouging I saw in 08, either.
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Old 11-18-2012, 13:45   #35
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Even if he tried, who the hell would enforce it? I highly doubt local cops will start knocking on doors to enfore an executive order. The federal agencies don't have the manpower to do it, and I'm not so sure they WOULD do it. In the end it would be an action with no legal weight and no muscle to make it stick.
I want some of what you've been smoking.

Do you really think that BCM, SW, DPMS, RR, Spikes and all the other manufacturers are going to keep making them in spite of another AWB made by executive order?

Do you really think Buds and GandR Tactical and other sellers are going to keep selling them if Obama pens another AWB?

How would they enforce it? Just like they do now. The Kentucky branch of the BATFE would check on Buds Gunshop and the LGS in Kentucky. The TN branch\branches would check on gun stores in TN, the MS branch stores in MS AR branch on stores in AR, etc...

Why would you think that if Obama uses executive orders to reinstate another AWB, that makers and sellers would keep making and selling.

That's some mighty good herb you got.
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Old 11-18-2012, 15:42   #36
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I want some of what you've been smoking.

Do you really think that BCM, SW, DPMS, RR, Spikes and all the other manufacturers are going to keep making them in spite of another AWB made by executive order?

Do you really think Buds and GandR Tactical and other sellers are going to keep selling them if Obama pens another AWB?

How would they enforce it? Just like they do now. The Kentucky branch of the BATFE would check on Buds Gunshop and the LGS in Kentucky. The TN branch\branches would check on gun stores in TN, the MS branch stores in MS AR branch on stores in AR, etc...

Why would you think that if Obama uses executive orders to reinstate another AWB, that makers and sellers would keep making and selling.

That's some mighty good herb you got.
Do you think those makers are going to roll over an close shop due to a EO that is questionable at best in it's legality? I would think not.
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I want some of what you've been smoking.

Do you really think that BCM, SW, DPMS, RR, Spikes and all the other manufacturers are going to keep making them in spite of another AWB made by executive order?

Do you really think Buds and GandR Tactical and other sellers are going to keep selling them if Obama pens another AWB?

How would they enforce it? Just like they do now. The Kentucky branch of the BATFE would check on Buds Gunshop and the LGS in Kentucky. The TN branch\branches would check on gun stores in TN, the MS branch stores in MS AR branch on stores in AR, etc...

Why would you think that if Obama uses executive orders to reinstate another AWB, that makers and sellers would keep making and selling.

That's some mighty good herb you got.
You seriously think that BATFE even has the manpower to do this? You think they would all obey such an order willingly?

I highly doubt it.
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Old 11-18-2012, 18:05   #38
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My Walmart(s) are typically out of .223. I check on stock when I'm there, and pick up some occasionally.


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Old 11-18-2012, 21:18   #40
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Our local Wal Mart has never had a spectacular ammo selection to begin with, but really did not look any worse than normal tonight. So far prices are unchanged that I can tell. Bought 100 rounds of 9mm and .40. There were several 250 round bulk packs of 9m and .40 on the shelf along with common hunting rounds. There is never much .223/5.56, that pretty normal there. Would have bought more but did not have the $$. Appears the rush on ammo and price hikes are a bit slower getting here, hopefully the rush will be over before it does. So I will cont to pick up a little here and there when I can.

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Got lucky tonight and caught the guy stocking the ammo shelves. Picked up 300 9mm and 200 7.62x39. They were well stocked except for .22lr. He said it is their biggest seller right now and .223 is impossible to keep in stock.
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Got lucky tonight and caught the guy stocking the ammo shelves. Picked up 300 9mm and 200 7.62x39. They were well stocked except for .22lr. He said it is their biggest seller right now and .223 is impossible to keep in stock.
The TEOTWAWKI crowd is buying up .22lr as if it's a precious metal.

I don't agree with them, but they'll have the last laugh if I run out of large caliber ammo in the wake of a large asteroid strike, and I try to beg for some some delicious spit roasted squirrel or nutria that they're eating.
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Must be regional.

Pre-election 4 years ago? Yep, the rush was on.
Now? Not around here.

Local WallyWorld has Federal AE (black/white box) .223 for $6.97 and the only reason it sells so well is that it is cheap compared to Winchester 5.56 FMJ. Sone days they have 40 boxes on the shelves, some days 2-3, and some days none at all.

Last week, they even had two cans of the Federal green tip on stripper clips! Granted, they didn't last long but cheap (by comparison) ammo is still out there.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:55   #44
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Ammo here locally is always hard to come by. Either its out of stock or priced extremely high. Don't know what the future holds but if it wasn't for that dam boating accident i'd have almost a lifetime supply thxs to internet sales of ammo.
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I dont know why the rush is on, Obama hasnt tried nor will he be able to pass a weapons ban of any type. Any bans will never make it past Congress.
Say that in 2014 when the democrats control the congress which they will easily do after seeing how obama got RE-ELECTED on some of the worst failed policies in american history! The GOP is dead and so is are gun rights, Just a matter of time now! All obama has to do is replace one conservative justice with a liberal one and the SCOTUS will hand down a reversal of heller and mcdonald! It's not paranoia its called stating the obvious! The republicans need to do a major overhaul if they want to stay competitive with the democrats, I say this because the democrats control the minority and woman vote to a huge degree not to mention this this election 96% of all black voters voted for obama, The leeches will always vote for santa claus, And since the leeches are starting to outnumber the providers in this country were fked. Most people on welfare are too fking lazy to work, And do you think their going to vote for a candidate who wants them to work and get jobs when they can get close to 30K a year from the government through section 8 housing and other government handouts!
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2014 is along ways off yet, I think the GOP has allot of work to do, but if Americans had lost all faith in them the Dems would already controll Congress.
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You seriously think that BATFE even has the manpower to do this? You think they would all obey such an order willingly?

I highly doubt it.
They already are doing it. The BATFE does an audit of Guns and Ammo every year.

During the last AWB you couldn't buy a rifle that was banned for features from any FFL. So the proof is in our history.

So you really think Buds Guns Shop and others are going to ignore a ban, and keep selling AR's after a ban? I don't know what to think about that. That's beyond naive.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:10   #49
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My local Walmart typically has low ammo stock, interestingly enough in the dozens of times I have purchased ammo there I have never seen anyone else buying ammo. I don't think the prices are all that great anymore, I can usually do better with on-line purchases. I haven't seen a run on ammo but some guys at the range suggest reloading supplies have been hard to locate.
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Luckily my LGS has plenty of ammo, I dont know why the rush is on, Obama hasnt tried nor will he be able to pass a weapons ban of any type. Any bans will never make it past Congress, nothing is going to change, but people are still freaking out. Are we gonna have to go through this everytime a Blue gets elected President?
You realize the democrats control the Senate, the White House and Republicans only have a 241-193 edge in the House and a 1 justice advantage in the Supreme Court, right?

Your confidence has no basis in reality.
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