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Old 12-02-2012, 19:58   #21
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Good luck with that.
Morality is like the US Dollar.

It has value because we all agree that it has value.

If we did not agree that it has value, it would only be not-terribly-good toilet paper.

Morality does not have to be "backed" by anything but our mutual agreement that it works and we all agree to abide by it.

And punish those who do not abide by it.

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Old 12-02-2012, 20:01   #22
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Yes we can, and we have.
We've done a lot worse than what God had planned for Mankind.

The world we live in today is a direct result of man turning away from God.
God could have done a lot better job, if only we would have let him.

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"Religion" was invented to provide political power and wealth to the shamans.

It is the only reason "Religion" exists.

"Religion" has nothing to do with "God".

Unless, of course, you can prove "God" actually exists?
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Old 12-02-2012, 22:00   #23
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"Religion" was invented to provide political power and wealth to the shamans.

It is the only reason "Religion" exists.

"Religion" has nothing to do with "God".

Unless, of course, you can prove "God" actually exists?
That is a narrow view of spirituality considering religion exists in many forms in every corner of the world.

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Old 12-03-2012, 08:33   #24
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That is a narrow view of spirituality considering religion exists in many forms in every corner of the world.

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The fact that spirituality is so widespread is simply because we have been actively conditioned to accept it as fact when it is not fact; it is merely opinion.

A "widespread opinion" still does not make the opinion fact.

Always has been, is now, and forevermore shall be, opinion.

Amen.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:50   #25
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You guys are way over thinking things...

Don't be a dick.

Only morality anyone will ever need.
From two of our greatest modern philosophers, the foundation of a true morality:

Hey, hey, hey — don't be mean. We don't have to be mean. 'Cause, remember: no matter where you go... there you are.

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Be nice until it's time to not be nice.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:54   #26
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Be nice until it's time to not be nice.
Yeah, that works fine until you realize how many people there are who don't have the same definition of "nice" as you do.

Like the person, who stabs you in the heart, because he decided the way you looked at him, wasn't "nice".

Without a standard, everything is relative, especially morality and ethics.
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Old 12-03-2012, 15:56   #27
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Yeah, that works fine until you realize how many people there are who don't have the same definition of "nice" as you do.

Like the person, who stabs you in the heart, because he decided the way you looked at him, wasn't "nice".

Without a standard, everything is relative, especially morality and ethics.
Offensive violence is immoral.

Defensive violence is moral.

If someone initiates violence and stabs you in the heart, (a) you should have been able to defend youself and prevent it, or (b) if you are dead, we will execute him as a murderer.

Morality upheld.

Of course, still sucks for you!
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Old 12-03-2012, 16:24   #28
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If someone stabs you in the heart... turn to them your other heart... Oh.. wait... that one won't work.

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Old 12-03-2012, 16:46   #29
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Offensive violence is immoral.

Defensive violence is moral.

If someone initiates violence and stabs you in the heart, (a) you should have been able to defend youself and prevent it, or (b) if you are dead, we will execute him as a murderer.

Morality upheld.

Of course, still sucks for you!
By what rules will you execute him as a murderer?
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Old 12-03-2012, 18:45   #30
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By what rules will you execute him as a murderer?
He who takes a life, not in self defense, forfeits his own life.

He who actually springs the trap on the gallows, throws the switch on the electric chair, pulls the trigger(s) on the firing squad, what have you, is not guilty of murder.

Any more than the rope, the chair, the rifles, are themselves guilty of murder.
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Old 12-03-2012, 19:48   #31
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From two of our greatest modern philosophers, the foundation of a true morality:

Hey, hey, hey — don't be mean. We don't have to be mean. 'Cause, remember: no matter where you go... there you are.

and

Be nice until it's time to not be nice.
Fast Times at Ridgemont High and Roadhouse...you sir, have excellent taste in cinemas classics.
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Old 12-03-2012, 22:09   #32
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Yeah, that works fine until you realize how many people there are who don't have the same definition of "nice" as you do.

Like the person, who stabs you in the heart, because he decided the way you looked at him, wasn't "nice".

Without a standard, everything is relative, especially morality and ethics.
But we do have a standard. Be nice. Nice, like murder, is a function of the defining society.

I think most would agree that if someone is trying to stab you in the heart, it's time to not be nice.
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Old 12-03-2012, 22:13   #33
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Fast Times at Ridgemont High and Roadhouse...you sir, have excellent taste in cinemas classics.
Good catch(es)!
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Old 12-03-2012, 22:15   #34
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Fast Times at Ridgemont High and Roadhouse...you sir, have excellent taste in cinemas classics.
1 for 2, though Fast Times does contain much great wisdom, the first quote is from Physicist/Neurosurgeon/Rock Star Buckaroo Banzai.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:12   #35
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Ah, Duuuuhhhhhhh!

A moral code based upon itself.


From what I've seen from you, you like to instigate anger and arguments. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously on the subject of morality?

Now spew forth your anger and hatred in your reply to my post, and prove me correct

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Old 12-04-2012, 08:19   #36
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He who takes a life, not in self defense, forfeits his own life.

He who actually springs the trap on the gallows, throws the switch on the electric chair, pulls the trigger(s) on the firing squad, what have you, is not guilty of murder.

Any more than the rope, the chair, the rifles, are themselves guilty of murder.
But, where do you find these rules?
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But we do have a standard. Be nice. Nice, like murder, is a function of the defining society.

I think most would agree that if someone is trying to stab you in the heart, it's time to not be nice.
So you think that "nice" is an objective standard that everyone can agree on?
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:22   #38
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From what I've seen from you, you like to instigate anger and arguments. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously on the subject of morality?

Now spew forth your anger and hatred in your reply to my post, and prove me correct
Instigate Arguments? Yes.

Instigate Anger? Not so much.

I was trying to point out that "morality" based on the 1st five Commandments, is nothing more than useless claptrap designed to keep us all subservient to the shamans.

Am I angry about 10,000 + years of mind control manipulation by the shamans that continues to this day?

You betcherass.
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But, where do you find these rules?
My own observations.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:28   #40
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My own observations.
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. Moral relativity.
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