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Old 12-04-2012, 11:29   #41
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1 for 2, though Fast Times does contain much great wisdom, the first quote is from Physicist/Neurosurgeon/Rock Star Buckaroo Banzai.

what the Jefferson dude was saying is we left this England place cause it was bogus and if we don't get ourselves some cool rule pronto, we'll just be bogus too.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:45   #42
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Yes we can, and we have.
We've done a lot worse than what God had planned for Mankind.

The world we live in today is a direct result of man turning away from God.
God could have done a lot better job, if only we would have let him.

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And morality, like truth, is not relative. For if it is than there is no truth or morality. Youre entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:52   #43
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And morality, like truth, is not relative. For if it is than there is no truth or morality. Youre entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
Please provide factual evidence of an objective morality. No? Then it is just your subjective opinion.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:56   #44
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Youre entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
That's just something people say when they're trying to pass their own opinions off as fact. Like you just did.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:01   #45
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Thanks, that's what I was looking for. Moral relativity.
The same kind of moral relativity that has someone believing that it's OK for the government to seize children based on the parent's income levels and forcibly sterilize people?
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Old 12-04-2012, 15:52   #46
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And morality, like truth, is not relative. For if it is than there is no truth or morality. Youre entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
My opinion is that "morality" are the social mores we agree to collectively, that work for the society that agrees to them.

There is no absolute morality, since morality has to change when a society's conditions change.
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Old 12-04-2012, 15:59   #47
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And morality, like truth, is not relative. For if it is than there is no truth or morality. Youre entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
What a ridiculous thing to say. Of course morality is relative; Muslims think eating pork is immoral, Catholics think eating meat on Friday during Lent is immoral, the Christian bible says eating shellfish is immoral. Morality is relative to the subset of society you belong to.
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Old 12-04-2012, 16:50   #48
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And morality, like truth, is not relative. For if it is than there is no truth or morality. Youre entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
Truth is always relative to the question being asked and morality is always relative to the whims and trends of the people in the society. Whether it's in vogue to burn "witches", free slaves or legalize weed and prostitution the people involved create their own morality by the process of deciding what's right and what's not and to what degree.
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Old 12-04-2012, 18:11   #49
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Wow, I rarely find myself disagreeing with you G29, but morality is most certainly always evolving and relative to the time and place you are.

It used to not be immoral to marry a 12 year old. It most certainly is almost everywhere today.
It used to not be immoral to beat the tar out of your kids for disobeying you. Now in most civilized areas it most certainly is.

You can argue that those were always immoral, but then if morality has a basis in religion, where was religion to tell people to stop doing/condoning those actions? I'll tell you where it was. It was being used as a basis to condone those actions and defend them to the few at the time who were forward thinking and saw that they may not be OK things to do.
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Old 12-04-2012, 18:13   #50
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The same kind of moral relativity that has someone believing that it's OK for the government to seize children based on the parent's income levels and forcibly sterilize people?
Actually, yes (discounting the stuff you added in there for drama or because you don't understand the issues involved).
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