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Old 12-04-2012, 14:28   #51
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Old 12-04-2012, 14:42   #52
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I'm sorry or my ignorance, but I don't think there is a federal law against prostitution - is there?
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Old 12-04-2012, 14:55   #53
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In Hollywood, sex for money is illegal UNLESS they are creating porn. And if they are making porn (not whoopie) the law says they must use rubbers. So who us going to be the condom inspector? And if the participants enjoy their work, does it then become illegal?

As the woman at Mustang Ranch is reputed to have said "It's a business doing pleasure with you."


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Old 12-04-2012, 14:55   #54
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I'm sorry or my ignorance, but I don't think there is a federal law against prostitution - is there?
Federal law? I don't think so, because there are whore houses in parts of Nevada, and the feds haven't busted their doors down, as far as I know. I think it's state law that makes it illegal in most states.
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Old 12-04-2012, 14:57   #55
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I'm sorry or my ignorance, but I don't think there is a federal law against prostitution - is there?
Something called the Mann Act (no pun intended) about crossing a state line for immoral purposes would apply I believe. Although today who's to say what's an immoral purpose.


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Old 12-04-2012, 15:00   #56
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Federal law? I don't think so, because there are whore houses in parts of Nevada, and the feds haven't busted their doors down, as far as I know. I think it's state law that makes it illegal in most states.
Didn't the IRS seize one of the houses for failure to pay taxes...and then couldn't run it at a profit? Maybe the Secret Service rather than the IRS should have been put in charge of the house by the Treasury. Maybe some of the agents from the Columbia visit...


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Old 12-04-2012, 15:05   #57
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Mr Heinlein on prostitutes...and certain other professionals...

A whore should be judged by the same criteria as other, professionals offering services for pay--such as dentists, lawyers, hairdressers, physicians, plumbers, etc. Is she professionally competent? Does she give good measure? Is she honest with her clients? It is possible that the percentage of honest and competent whores is higher than that of plumbers and much higher than that of lawyers. And enormously higher than that of professors.




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Old 12-04-2012, 15:19   #59
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Didn't the IRS seize one of the houses for failure to pay taxes...and then couldn't run it at a profit? Maybe the Secret Service rather than the IRS should have been put in charge of the house by the Treasury. Maybe some of the agents from the Columbia visit...


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I do remember hearing something about some government group not being able to profitably run a whore house, but I don't remember whether it was the IRS or another group.
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Old 12-04-2012, 16:00   #60
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OP, yes, prostitution is just capitalism. Like many other things, the primary reason it is illegal is that wives have a great deal of political power (remember prohibition) and don't care for the competition. Criminalizing prostitution is no more than a way to regulate competition, by those selling the service under long-term contract, who don't want to compete with those selling on a cash & carry basis.
I have been saying something close to this for years.

I think prostitution is a victimless crime. Providing the woman is willing and clean.
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Old 12-04-2012, 16:46   #61
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Congratulate the OP on finding one of the basic tests of schizophrenia on the political right (the most famous one of these probably being the WOD). Of course it's capitalism, though we may end up pitying the capitalists in this case.
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Old 12-04-2012, 16:56   #62
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I'm not talking about pimps and hos or forced sex trafficking or anything like that. There are obvious victims and other laws being broken. I'm talking about how the supposedly small-government right supports vice laws despite the fact that it clearly flies in the face of capitalism.
You're not talking about a lot of things, but you seem to have caught on to the fact that prostitution often is a business transaction. Taxation involves money also, so in your world is taxation Capitalism? Is quantitative easing capitalism? A lot of small government advocates aren't in favour of vice laws either, you need more education.
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Really? You never heard, "why buy a cow if you can get the milk free?" Women have known that rule for centuries and, until recently, their life depended on what kind of man they could get. 80-100 years ago, it wasn't like today, when a single woman could get a job/career, house, etc. and it wasn't the rule to marry for love back then. A woman used the bargaining power she had and competition that was practically giving away a major part of it was not appreciated.

Our current attitudes about family are still based, in part, on ideals from before 1900, when wives traded sex and housekeeping for food and shelter and children were necessary as homemade farm hands.
I take it that you are often accused of being a hopeless romantic
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Old 12-04-2012, 18:15   #64
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I take it that you are often accused of being a hopeless romantic
Nope, you're the first to say that, believe it or not.
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Old 12-04-2012, 18:29   #65
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Wha? It's not that complicated. It's been regulated and taxed in most of Nevada for over 40 years.

I understand, however, the federal government first has to make it palatable to the populace that is not used to "gaming" establishments and what goes with them.. Then, hang onto your "parts".
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Old 12-04-2012, 18:34   #66
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"This fundamental right was protected by the Supreme Court in the early 20th century, from 1897 until the New Deal, during what is called the "Lochner era." Named after the historic liberty-of-contract decision by the Supreme Court, the Lochner era saw the Court strike down laws that interfered with the freedom of people to bargain over the terms of their own contracts. These included minimum-wage and maximum-hours laws, housing segregation laws, licensing laws and laws interfering with the freedom of parents to determine what kind of schooling their children receive. Then in 1937, as part of the "New Deal revolution," the Court abandoned its protection of these vital economic and personal liberties, contributing significantly to the tremendous growth in the nation's regulatory and welfare state over the past several decades."

Just for your general knowledge regarding freedom of contract and your right to dispose of your labor as you see fit.
You have given a very good explanation.
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Nope, you're the first to say that, believe it or not.
Say it ain't so, my man. Say it ain't so.

You are just under-appreciated.
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Old 12-04-2012, 19:13   #68
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By legalizing prostitution, it is actually giving the stamp of approval to it.

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I feel I have no right to force my sense of morality on someone else's behavior. On the other hand, I feel legalized prostitution will normalize it, bring it into the public arena, and ultimately degrade the general moral code of Americans.

Maybe the best way to handle it, so that nobody's freedom to conduct their lives as they wish is jeopardized.......is to legalize privately conducted prostitution, but to criminalize it in the public arena. (I don't care what consenting adults do in private, but this is one thing I wish my sons and daughters not to be subjected to. There are severe morality issues that are best left to their judgement when they are old enough to make mature choices in life.)

How many of you here are good with your sons and daughters being taught that prostitution is nothing but a capitalism issue......and doesn't have anything to do with right vs wrong, proper vs improper, moral vs immoral?

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Old 12-04-2012, 19:19   #69
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Can't see the forest for the trees, can you?

Is robbing a bank for the money just capitalism too?
What about murdering someone for money?

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Robbery is illegal.
Murder is illegal.
Are you saying sex is illegal?
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Something called the Mann Act (no pun intended) about crossing a state line for immoral purposes would apply I believe. Although today who's to say what's an immoral purpose.


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If they enforce that it will absolutely devastate the tourism industries in New Orleans and Las Vegas.
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By legalizing prostitution, it is actually giving the stamp of approval to it.

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I feel I have no right to force my sense of morality on someone else's behavior. On the other hand, I feel legalized prostitution will normalize it, bring it into the public arena, and ultimately degrade the general moral code of Americans.

Maybe the best way to handle it, so that nobody's freedom to conduct their lives as they wish is jeopardized.......is to legalize privately conducted prostitution, but to criminalize it in the public arena. (I don't care what consenting adults do in private, but this is one thing I wish my sons and daughters not to be subjected to. There are severe morality issues that are best left to their judgement when they are old enough to make mature choices in life.)

How many of you here are good with your sons and daughters being taught that prostitution is nothing but a capitalism issue......and doesn't have anything to do with right vs wrong, proper vs improper, moral vs immoral?

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I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I feel I have no right to force my sense of morality on someone else's behavior. On the other hand, I feel legalized prostitution will normalize it, bring it into the public arena, and ultimately degrade the general moral code of Americans.
Which moral code? If you mean the christian stylized moral code, that one has already been degrading for quite a while.

However, I am with you. Legal prostitution needs to be kept in whore houses, like it is in Nevada. Take the whores off the street and stick them in whore houses. Same thing they've done with legalized weed. They sell it in dispensaries, not on the streets.
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Old 12-04-2012, 21:01   #73
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A man pays a woman for sex and that's illegal.

A man and woman get paid for sex on a movie set, and that's entertainment.
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Old 12-04-2012, 21:06   #74
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JB - how do you feel about dirty raunchy sex between two consenting adults?
It's means they're doing it right.

Sorry to interject.

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Didn't the IRS seize one of the houses for failure to pay taxes...and then couldn't run it at a profit? Maybe the Secret Service rather than the IRS should have been put in charge of the house by the Treasury. Maybe some of the agents from the Columbia visit...
Yes, that was the Mustang Ranch, right outside of Reno. The guy who bought it from the IRS was the guy I posted about here a couple of weeks ago. He was quite successful with it, and he recently got elected to political office (Republican) in the county his brothel is in.

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