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Old 12-04-2012, 17:39   #1
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Why are atheists wary of Christians/Christianity?

Read this post by a GT member, known to you all I'm sure.

I consider the views expressed in this post to be unAmerican and anti-liberty, but typical of the more extreme religious right.

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Old 12-04-2012, 17:47   #2
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Actually I generally get along with Christians and I am not bothered about Christmas being a national holiday or Nativity scenes. In London every year the city of Oslo Norway sends a 30' tree that is put up and decorated at Trafalgar Square. It is beautiful. When Christians make really stupid arguments, like one in particular does in this sub fora, it is a bit irritating to read such stupid drivel but I don't hold that against other believers even though I disagree with their beliefs too.
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Old 12-04-2012, 17:50   #3
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The Founding Fathers had a chance to establish a Christian theocracy, if that's what they wanted to do. But, they didn't.

"God," "Jesus," or "Christ" isn't mentioned once in the Constitution. Instead, the First Amendment prohibits the federal government from establishing a religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (religious freedom). And, Article VI states that no religious test shall *ever* be required for any federal or state public office. Please think about that--"no religious test" for public office. What does that say about the FF's attitude about what Jefferson called the wall of separation between church and state.

It's sad that the religious don't realize that wall protects *them* from an overreaching government as well as the non-religious.
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Old 12-04-2012, 17:50   #4
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I have yet to meet one "professed Christian" that has not been a hypocrite. In fact, I usually steer clear of any that tells me they are a Christian, it usually means a knife in my back.

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Old 12-04-2012, 18:22   #5
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Oh, yeah. Before you ask, I'm even more wary of Muslims, but it's Christians that have the more immediate political clout.
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Old 12-04-2012, 18:47   #6
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I honestly have no problems with christians as long as they don't try to discuss their religion with me or try to force their beliefs on me.
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Old 12-04-2012, 19:39   #7
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I agree with every word of Arc Angel's post.
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Old 12-04-2012, 19:42   #8
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I agree with every word of Arc Angel's post.
I'm sure you do.
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I agree with every word of Arc Angel's post.
That sure does say a lot about you, and not anything good either.

The only effective way to ensure the public's safety is religion? Yeah, tell that to all the people who have been killed because of religion.

Ten commandments returned to our schools because they're still valid? Since when do people follow the commandments? What about the second commandment, where it specifically says picture of jesus will piss off God?

The bible and guns belong together? Doesn't the bible say love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek if you're accosted? Since when do guns help you love your neighbor or turn the other cheek?
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The bible and guns belong together? Doesn't the bible say love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek if you're accosted? Since when do guns help you love your neighbor or turn the other cheek?
Luke 22:36 He that has no sword let him sell his cloak and buy one."
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Old 12-04-2012, 20:29   #11
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Luke 22:36 He that has no sword let him sell his cloak and buy one."
But does that mean the sword and the bible go together? No. It just means that Jesus wasn't against them. Just like it doesn't mean that guns and the bible go together.

Cars are mentioned in the Harry Potter books, does that mean they belong together too?
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But does that mean the sword and the bible go together? No. It just means that Jesus wasn't against them. Just like it doesn't mean that guns and the bible go together.

Cars are mentioned in the Harry Potter books, does that mean they belong together too?
Yes it does indicate that believers should be armed. It is also consistent with Psalm 149:6-7 "Let the high praise of the Lord be on their lips, and a two edge sword in their hand: To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people:"

BTW Peter allegedly cut off a soldier's ear with a sword.
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Yes it does indicate that believers should be armed. It is also consistent with Psalm 149:6-7 "Let the high praise of the Lord be on their lips, and a two edge sword in their hand: To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people:"
I never said that it mentioned they shouldn't be armed, I just said that I don't believe they necessarily go together, I'm sure there is a better choice of words than "go together".

Besides, that right there proves one of my points about christianity. Christianity isn't about the good of the people, or the good of the world, like so many seem to claim. It's all about the good of the people who agree with christian views. Everybody else be damned for being a non-believing heathen.
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But does that mean the sword and the bible go together? No. It just means that Jesus wasn't against them. Just like it doesn't mean that guns and the bible go together.

Cars are mentioned in the Harry Potter books, does that mean they belong together too?
My post isn't about the comments regarding the idiot Costas or the pro vs. anti gun stuff. It's about the misrepresentation of atheism and the religious zealotry.
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I agree with Arc Angel (Who BTW, currently graces the #1 spot on my List of Insane Individuals) on these points:

1. Bob Costas is an idiot.
2. Guns or any other weapons aren't to blame for violence.

After that....Well, he goes off on an insane tirade about forcing everyone to conform to his religion, which makes a lot of folks wanna do some violence.

Generally I get along fine with the few Christians I know. Most already know they don't wanna discuss religion or politics with me, and the few who are too slow to know, really don't like me much anymore.
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I'm going to eBay some jackets and get me one of these, since Jesus said so. Water bottles and pigs beware.

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I agree with every word of Arc Angel's post.
Then could you tell us when exactly the US stopped being a "God-fearing, God-believing, and God-worshipping nation. "?
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Then could you tell us when exactly the US stopped being a "God-fearing, God-believing, and God-worshipping nation. "?

When they kicked God out of the schools and out of public buildings, and when they outlawed the 10 commandments.
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When they kicked God out of the schools and out of public buildings, and when they outlawed the 10 commandments.
Really? I mean, really? That's all it took? Taking out those silly little prayers from school did all that? So all that religious teaching and praying at home, all the Sunday school and church services that families attended was negated by taking a prayer out of public schools?

Wow!
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Really? I mean, really? That's all it took? Taking out those silly little prayers from school did all that? So all that religious teaching and praying at home, all the Sunday school and church services that families attended was negated by taking a prayer out of public schools?

Wow!
Yes that's what did it, because it took God out of the children's lives during their most impressionable years. Some children now grow up without God in their lives, and today our society is worse off because of it.

Not allowing the 10 commandments to be posted in public buildings is another factor that has contributed to the downfall of our society.
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Yes that's what did it, because it took God out of the children's lives during their most impressionable years. Some children now grow up without God in their lives, and today our society is worse off because of it.

Not allowing the 10 commandments to be posted in public buildings is another factor that has contributed to the downfall of our society.
I see--so it's GUBMINT that must bring God into children's lives, cuz without that, parents, families, Sunday schools and churches just aren't able to the job.

What other parenting tasks would you like GUBMINT to take over from parents and families?

Edited to add: This is fascinating to me. What you seem to be saying is that the draw and message of Christianity is so weak, that it cannot flourish unless small children are indoctrinated by government schools and by posting religious commandments in government buildings. That is what you are saying. Right?
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Wow, that's quite a hatchet job, Ken! I'm surprised at the way you went behind my back with it, too. I almost missed it; but, I guess, The Good Lord wanted me to have a chance to respond. So, why don't we start HERE! and let everybody read the entire thread instead of only the part you want people to consider. (How's that!)

Years ago when we first started talking I realized that there is a lot of active anti-Christian hatred burning inside of you. Frankly, I don't know how you're able to live peacefully with yourself while feeding such a growing dark monster, like this, inside your head?

How is it that you so completely fail to recognize that it's not about politics? It's not about nation, either. Don't you realize the INTELLECTUAL IMPOSSIBILITY of attempting to honestly serve God, and mammon all at the same time?

It can't be done, Ken!

It's about that God upon whose worship this nation was originally founded! Are you mad at me for trying to warn you that if you stay on your present downhill course your eternal soul really is going to be lost?

I suppose I should say something like, 'I'll pray for you;' but, quite frankly, I'm too much of a warrior for that. According to The Holy Bible the next time you meet The Lord Jesus Christ He'll have a sword in His hand; and He'll be too much of a warrior to pray for you, too.

You ought to try to save yourself, Buddy, before it's too late.

(This really is a remarkably underhanded sneaky thing for you to do; I think you should be ashamed of yourself for stooping to such a cheap angry ploy. The hatred inside you really is OBVIOUS!)




By the way, one thing I've got to THANK YOU for is the opportunity you've given me to witness for The Lord! (It is written that, 'God turns evil to good;' and, as far as I'm concerned, you just proved it!

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I have yet to meet one "professed Christian" that has not been a hypocrite.
I have, but I can count them on one hand.
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I see--so it's GUBMINT that must bring God into children's lives, cuz without that, parents, families, Sunday schools and churches just aren't able to the job.

What other parenting tasks would you like GUBMINT to take over from parents and families?

Edited to add: This is fascinating to me. What you seem to be saying is that the draw and message of Christianity is so weak, that it cannot flourish unless small children are indoctrinated by government schools and by posting religious commandments in government buildings. That is what you are saying. Right?
No, that's what you just said, not me.
I never mentioned anything about the government.

Don't you read your own posts?
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Arc, do you think I didn't believe you'd find this thread. You made your post on a public forum--it's fair game to use to make a point.

It's the *views* about the relationship between church and state expressed in your post that was the thrust of my post. Many others hold similar views, you just expressed it so clearly and timely. If you take it as a personal attack--that's something I have no control over.

I think you are a terribly sincere, but very, very misguided individual. You really would be happier living in a Christian theocratic nation. But, America isn't that--and never was, and never was intended to be.

I would be interested in hearing your reaction to the points I made above in #3. Up to you of course.

The pleasure you take in anticipating my comeuppance when I meet your god is very apparent. I know that's important to you.
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