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Old 12-07-2012, 12:28   #61
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With your thinking though there would be no reason to pray to God for anything because He just runs on batteries.

i think where people go wrong in prayer is asking for the wrong thing or with wrong motives ect. But beleivers are called to pray in Gods will according to and in accordance to His words..
So there just aren't enough people selflessly asking god for world peace or a cure for cancer?
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Old 12-07-2012, 14:02   #62
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Isn't there an old saying about praying for peace but preparing for war?

Also, I think that not taking safety precautions is more like testing God than trusting Him.
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Old 12-07-2012, 14:16   #63
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Isn't there an old saying about praying for peace but preparing for war?
Julius Caesar was a Christian?

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Also, I think that not taking safety precautions is more like testing God than trusting Him.
If you believe you're going to heaven when you die, why do anything to forstall the trip?
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Old 12-07-2012, 15:02   #64
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Julius Caesar was a Christian?

If you believe you're going to heaven when you die, why do anything to forstall the trip?
You don't have to be Christian to give good advice.

There is still much work to be done in this life.
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Old 12-07-2012, 15:04   #65
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So there just aren't enough people selflessly asking god for world peace or a cure for cancer?
Although you make a valid point, you can't go around blaming atheists for everything.
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Old 12-07-2012, 15:11   #66
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Also, I think that not taking safety precautions is more like testing God than trusting Him.
I want to hear your thoughts on Matthew 5:38-48

Seems like Christ was instructing his followers to not resist those that would harm you. To not fight back. To freely give that which someone would steal. Seems he taught absolute pacifism.

Seems like he felt you should love your enemy in order to be perfect like the father.

To take the "Grab a Sword" line as a call to defend one's self with weapons and violence seems to make Jesus a hypocrite.
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You don't have to be Christian to give good advice.

There is still much work to be done in this life.
Good answer.
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Old 12-07-2012, 15:21   #68
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god might have your soul, but he wont protect your ass.
So the "consider the lilies of the field" thing is just BS?
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I want to hear your thoughts on Matthew 5:38-48

Seems like Christ was instructing his followers to not resist those that would harm you. To not fight back. To freely give that which someone would steal. Seems he taught absolute pacifism.

Seems like he felt you should love your enemy in order to be perfect like the father.

To take the "Grab a Sword" line as a call to defend one's self with weapons and violence seems to make Jesus a hypocrite.
It's a teaching not to retaliate or seek revenge, but to be patient to even those who harm you. Not to seek to get killed or lay down to be killed. Christ evaded stoning and encouraged his followers at one time to obtain a sword if they didn't already have one.
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It's a teaching not to retaliate or seek revenge, but to be patient to even those who harm you. Not to seek to get killed or lay down to be killed. Christ evaded stoning and encouraged his followers at one time to obtain a sword if they didn't already have one.
Others disagree that the "Get a sword" passage was about taking up a weapon to defend one's self. Jesus used non-violence to avoid injury but never self-defense via weapons or combat. What is your basis that he would approve of such actions?
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Others disagree that the "Get a sword" passage was about taking up a weapon to defend one's self. Jesus used non-violence to avoid injury but never self-defense via weapons or combat. What is your basis that he would approve of such actions?
My basis is that swords at that time were used for two things. To attack someone or two defend oneself when under attack. The latter is more passive than the former.
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