Ed Brown, Nighthawk, Wilson Combat - Page 3

Ruggles · 12-07-2012, 19:20

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Originally Posted by glock2740

What the hell are YOU talking about?!?! YOU'VE cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars!!!

Yeah no doubt, I wonder about the possibilities of a class action lawsuit based on his evil tempting of us with his pics.......

....I mean we could split his stuff up pretty evenly I think. We could leave him a Taurus 1911 (gold bling and all) so he would not be defenseless.

And since the lawsuit is my ideal I get dibs on the carpet......

glock2740 · 12-07-2012, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Ruggles

Yeah no doubt, I wonder about the possibilities of a class action lawsuit based on his evil tempting of us with his pics.......

....I mean we could split his stuff up pretty evenly I think. We could leave him a Taurus 1911 (gold bling and all) so he would not be defenseless.

And since the lawsuit is my ideal I get dibs on the carpet......

I love it!!!

Summitch has cost me plenty for sure.

bac1023 · 12-07-2012, 21:30

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Originally Posted by glock2740

What the hell are YOU talking about?!?! YOU'VE cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars!!!

bac1023 · 12-07-2012, 21:31

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Originally Posted by Ruggles

Yeah no doubt, I wonder about the possibilities of a class action lawsuit based on his evil tempting of us with his pics.......

....I mean we could split his stuff up pretty evenly I think. We could leave him a Taurus 1911 (gold bling and all) so he would not be defenseless.

And since the lawsuit is my ideal I get dibs on the carpet......

glock2740 · 12-07-2012, 21:34

What are you laughing about Brian? He's serious. My lawyer talked to his lawyer today and I think you owe us some money man. I'll be willing to settle out of court for my pick of you collection though.

Ruggles · 12-07-2012, 21:41

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Originally Posted by glock2740

What are you laughing about Brian? He's serious. My lawyer talked to his lawyer today and I think you owe us some money man. I'll be willing to settle out of court for my pick of you collection though.

Correct sir! And because I am just that kind of guy I will take guns other than 1911s named in the lawsuit as compensation......I mean I would not want to be the guy who took all you 1911s....

I will settle for all the Walthers and the Colt revolvers.......and a couple of Papa Johns large pizzas......and a hooker....not a nasty cheap one like I pick up when I tell the wife "I am going to the auto parts store" either but one of those fancy ones that comes to your house and all.....

bac1023 · 12-07-2012, 21:46

You guys are too much, lol

ajgranda · 12-08-2012, 07:12

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Originally Posted by MD357

Nighthawk is a shadow of what it used to be, personally, I'm not a fan when there are several others to consider. .

I'm not too sure of that. I spoke to a NHC rep recently and they said all of their parts are now forged, no castings. On par with WC bulletproof parts. Also, their standard BN treatment (not coating) is better than anything Wilson or Brown offers. If you want any color other than Black, they still use Permakote though.

bac1023 · 12-08-2012, 07:31

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Originally Posted by MD357

Wilson as of lately is disappointing with all the price increases to ME, you're just better off going full custom for $3-4K+. That being said, Wilson Combat is the best in terms of building you anything you want and using parts THEY make including their own frames. Nighthawk is a shadow of what it used to be, personally, I'm not a fan when there are several others to consider. Browns are pretty and well made, have a friend that has 20K through his in the last couple years. Baer is still the best deal going on this "tier" of 1911s but you're not gonna get much bling, if you're a shooter then you won't care.

Joe just bought a new Nighthawk and I'm looking forward to his opinion. I will say some of the new Nighthawks at my shop feel pretty good.

Maybe they're bouncing back.

MD357 · 12-08-2012, 08:07

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Originally Posted by ajgranda

I'm not too sure of that. I spoke to a NHC rep recently and they said all of their parts are now forged, no castings. On par with WC bulletproof parts. Also, their standard BN treatment (not coating) is better than anything Wilson or Brown offers. If you want any color other than Black, they still use Permakote though.

Yeah they're full of it. Look up them using Kimber ambi safeties and guys sending them back and NH's CS giving them hell saying they won't warranty them. They knew if they wanted a strong ambi they'd have to buy them from Wilson. It's good that they started using melonite or whatever but their other coatings had issues. The biggest problem I have is that they are on remsport frame and slides. Nothing wrong with them but I'm not paying $3k for one when I can have either a DW (cheaper) or a Wilson or Brown. Whom, make their own stuff including their own frame and slides. Nighthawk merely buys stuff and rebadges it so I'm not impressed for that kind of money when Baer, Brown, GC, and Wilson are the competition. YMMV.

Officer's Match · 12-08-2012, 08:30

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Originally Posted by bac1023

You guys are too much, lol

I'd settle too for sumthin' in a Guncrafter...

ajgranda · 12-08-2012, 09:11

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Originally Posted by MD357

Yeah they're full of it. Look up them using Kimber ambi safeties and guys sending them back and NH's CS giving them hell saying they won't warranty them. They knew if they wanted a strong ambi they'd have to buy them from Wilson. It's good that they started using melonite or whatever but their other coatings had issues. The biggest problem I have is that they are on remsport frame and slides. Nothing wrong with them but I'm not paying $3k for one when I can have either a DW (cheaper) or a Wilson or Brown. Whom, make their own stuff including their own frame and slides. Nighthawk merely buys stuff and rebadges it so I'm not impressed for that kind of money when Baer, Brown, GC, and Wilson are the competition. YMMV.

I remember NHC not guaranteeing their ambi safety in the past. Not sure if they are still using the same one. I would not be getting an ambi so that's not an issue for me. As for the slides and frame, I always thought they were built in house. I will ask NHC and see what they say. I would have an issue if they weren't. I know their Enforcer uses a Caspian frame. Thanks

From NHC website: http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/about-nighthawk/

MD357 · 12-08-2012, 09:35

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Originally Posted by ajgranda

I remember NHC not guaranteeing their ambi safety in the past. Not sure if they are still using the same one. I would not be getting an ambi so that's not an issue for me. As for the slides and frame, I always thought they were built in house. I will ask NHC and see what they say. I would have an issue if they weren't. I know their Enforcer uses a Caspian frame. Thanks

From NHC website: http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/about-nighthawk/

I don't like ambis either but I couldn't for the life of me understand the mentality of putting a Kimber part (some of the worst production parts out there by my experiences) on a custom gun.

"Now with undercut frames!!" <-----

Glad they finally fixed that.

ajgranda · 12-08-2012, 09:49

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Originally Posted by MD357

I don't like ambis either but I couldn't for the life of me understand the mentality of putting a Kimber part (some of the worst production parts out there by my experiences) on a custom gun.

"Now with undercut frames!!" <-----

Glad they finally fixed that.

Looks like NHC is now using a forged ambi, built by them, according to their website. This began in Sep 2012.

bac1023 · 12-08-2012, 10:18

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Originally Posted by MD357

I don't like ambis either but I couldn't for the life of me understand the mentality of putting a Kimber part (some of the worst production parts out there by my experiences) on a custom gun.

Yeah, my Predator has a Kimber ambi, but my year newer Enforcer does not.

glock2740 · 12-08-2012, 14:21

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Originally Posted by ajgranda

I'm not too sure of that. I spoke to a NHC rep recently and they said all of their parts are now forged, no castings. On par with WC bulletproof parts. Also, their standard BN treatment (not coating) is better than anything Wilson or Brown offers. If you want any color other than Black, they still use Permakote though.

The Black Nitride is so good, that Metaloy will not hardchrome a gun that has that finish. That kind of speaks for itself. It reminds me of a better version of what DW is using for their Duty Treatment, which is some damn good stuff.

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Originally Posted by bac1023

Joe just bought a new Nighthawk and I'm looking forward to his opinion. I will say some of the new Nighthawks at my shop feel pretty good.

Maybe they're bouncing back.

The Falcon I just got was built in 6/12 and is as good as anything I've ever seen from them. Including my #751 hardchromed bobtailed Predator II Commander, built entirely by Ron Phillips. That's about as early a model from NH as you're gonna find and Ron is a premeir gunsmith. This gun shoots lights out and is almost as tight as my Pro, minus the first breaking loose of the slide. No machine marks and just very well put together.

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Originally Posted by MD357

Yeah they're full of it. Look up them using Kimber ambi safeties and guys sending them back and NH's CS giving them hell saying they won't warranty them. They knew if they wanted a strong ambi they'd have to buy them from Wilson. It's good that they started using melonite or whatever but their other coatings had issues. The biggest problem I have is that they are on remsport frame and slides. Nothing wrong with them but I'm not paying $3k for one when I can have either a DW (cheaper) or a Wilson or Brown. Whom, make their own stuff including their own frame and slides. Nighthawk merely buys stuff and rebadges it so I'm not impressed for that kind of money when Baer, Brown, GC, and Wilson are the competition. YMMV.

I agree with you 100% about what they were becoming and used to do, but I have all of the above mentioned guns, and this version is as good or better than some of those. I'm not saying that NH is back on track, but this is the best offering I've seen from them in a LONG time. I'm still not ever going own a T3. Not sure I'd take one for less than half price. But, IMO, they would be better off discontinuing that model. In all seriousness, I think about 7-8 out of 10 of those that I've seen, read/heard about, has had some sort of issue. I'm not giving NH the complete "back in business/on top of their game" award yet, but they are turning things around IMO. On a side note, Black Nitride is tougher than Melonite, as Metaloy can and will hardchrome a gun with a Melonite finish. Chris said the Black Nitride was some badass stuff. And if I'm gonna take anyone's opinion on finishes to the bank, it's Chris Peters.

bac1023 · 12-08-2012, 17:31

Encouraging news about Nighthawk, Joe.

glock2740 · 12-08-2012, 17:53

I agree. I hope they've turned things around permanently. At least they got this one right.

bac1023 · 12-08-2012, 18:13

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Originally Posted by glock2740

I agree. I hope they've turned things around permanently. At least they got this one right.

Like i said, I'm impressed with what I'm seeing at my shop. they just started carrying NHs in the fall of last year.

Ruggles · 12-08-2012, 19:56

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Originally Posted by bac1023

Encouraging news about Nighthawk, Joe.

I agree, I missed out buying a NH Talon (bought a Baer instead) years ago and I still want one but have not based on what I have heard as of late. Hope they get their old reputation back

glock2740 · 12-08-2012, 20:03

I'm VERY happy with my new NH.

Ruggles · 12-08-2012, 20:06

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Originally Posted by glock2740

I'm VERY happy with my new NH.

Now dang it I already asked you to stop it! Now I am thinking, "yeah yeah buy that NH you always wanted"

I hate you guys......bunch of enablers you are!

glock2740 · 12-08-2012, 20:59

I'll say this about it. I feel good enough about it to trust my life with it.

Here's my CC rig for it. Brommeland Max Con V, loaded with 200+P Gold Dots. FYA.

Ruggles · 12-08-2012, 21:48

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Originally Posted by glock2740

I'll say this about it. I feel good enough about it to trust my life with it.

Here's my CC rig for it. Brommeland Max Con V, loaded with 200+P Gold Dots. FYA.

OK now I really hate you. I would explain why but I am going over to the N.H. site to browse for a Talon II. I hope you get a case of the "bubble gut squirts" tomorrow and spend all day in the john as punishment for tempting me sir!

glock2740 · 12-08-2012, 21:51

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Originally Posted by Ruggles

OK now I really hate you. I would explain why but I am going over to the N.H. site to browse for a Talon II. I hope you get a case of the "bubble gut squirts" tomorrow and spend all day in the john as punishment for tempting me sir!

I'm on a diet right now, so a good case of the squirts would only help the cause.