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Old 12-07-2012, 15:56   #1
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Which ammo to use

I recently picked up this shotgun. It is an SAR Semi Auto Special Purpose Shotgun (SARSASP)- Sarsilmaz and i have a question on which ammo to use. I pucrhased a box of Winchester (silver box i believe) 2 3/4 7 shot from Walmart and my first time out, the semi auto shotgun was reduced to a single shot. Needles to say i was VERY disappointed. Took it my my LGS and the gunsmith there said it was the ammo. He fired 5 shots through it using a brand called RIO? that was also 2 3/4 but was 7.5 shot and it ran perfectly. Basically he said the ammo sold by the big box stores cant generate enough gas pressure to cycle the bolt and eject the spent shell. So i bought three boxes of what he used and will use it for 3 gun competition but i want to get a good brand of 00 buck for HD. What should i pick up? Sorry for the long post but wanted to give some background. Thanks...
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Old 12-07-2012, 16:05   #2
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Low power birdshot+semiauto=single shot gun.

Not exactly news. Pumps still sell because they cycle ANYTHING.

Semis can be finicky and require experimentation to figure out which brand and what load will cycle what in some guns.
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Old 12-07-2012, 16:22   #3
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Thats what he was basically saying and what i found out the first time out. It didnt like the Winchester at all. Would buckshot be a "hotter" or higher pressure load than birdshot? It sounded like what he was telling me was that i needed a round that was a higher pressure than what the Winchester was.
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Old 12-07-2012, 16:54   #4
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With someexceptions, most semi shotguns need ammo with oomph aka high base brass. It's just like you were told - they need energy to reliably cycle the gun. The bulk value packs at Walmart are a great buy but a guarantor of a bad day with a semi.

At my last range day I was chirping and humming being a trombone player on my 870 with some of those pretty pink Federal breast cancer target shells while the guy next to me shooting a Benelli something or other was using expensive high base shells and not having a fun time because he was getting a jam every 10 or so shots.

Pumps will run everything.
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Some semis are better than others about running 'anything' especially some of the newer designs, but in general, the cheapo blaster birdshot will cause malfunctions.

I've run the Rio stuff in an 1100 and a Benelli without issues.
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Old 12-07-2012, 18:55   #6
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Try some Hornady 00.
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Old 12-07-2012, 20:46   #7
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Basically every buck shot is going to be enough powder to solve your issue. If that is the issue. I wouldn't trust any auto loader with my life that does not cycle light loads.

For home defence I would suggest you look at #4 buck not 00 .

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Old 12-07-2012, 20:49   #8
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Between a 70's Ted Williams M-300, a sawed off Universal Arms and a Benelli Vinci, I've shot about 5000 rounds of of cheap stuff from Wally world this year. No problems with cycling the bulk package Federal or Winchester stuff. Are you holding the shotgun firmly?
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Old 12-07-2012, 21:33   #9
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Guys with jammed up ridiculously expensive semi's crack me up at the trap range.

My Mossberg pump just goes bang bang bang...
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Old 12-07-2012, 22:31   #10
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Guys with jammed up ridiculously expensive semi's crack me up at the trap range.

My Mossberg pump just goes bang bang bang...
Seeing a Benelli M4 turn into a straight-pull bolt action, even when fed 00, is pretty entertaining, too.
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Yes, i was definitely holding it secure to my shoulder. I had a pump and liked it but for 3 gun, a semi is preferred. i'll try some #4 instead of 00 buck for HD and i guess i will stick with RIO for the 3 gun. Thanks for all the info.
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Yes, i was definitely holding it secure to my shoulder. I had a pump and liked it but for 3 gun, a semi is preferred. i'll try some #4 instead of 00 buck for HD and i guess i will stick with RIO for the 3 gun. Thanks for all the info.
If you think you'd prefer tighter patterns (as I do), thenI'd suggest taking a look at the Federal Tactical #1 load as well. It's reduced recoil, so I'm not sure how well it will run in your shotgun. From my 20" barrel Mossberg 590, it produces one-hole groups out to 15 yards, and still puts all 15 pellets in an area the size of a dinner plate at 30.
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Yes, i was definitely holding it secure to my shoulder. I had a pump and liked it but for 3 gun, a semi is preferred. i'll try some #4 instead of 00 buck for HD and i guess i will stick with RIO for the 3 gun. Thanks for all the info.
Go to SGAmmo and order up a variety of high velocity and low recoil ammo to try in your gun. They have a great selection and the best prices. They also have cases of Rio if that's what you want.
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Old 12-10-2012, 17:45   #14
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my mossberg 930 spx eats anything , use for HD 00 federal vitalshok and hornady tap, make sure when you decide what ammo you going to use the FPS are over 1350 just to make sure works 100% , if you follow this you never going to have a problem with your shotgun.
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Go to SGAmmo and order up a variety of high velocity and low recoil ammo to try in your gun. They have a great selection and the best prices. They also have cases of Rio if that's what you want.
i dont think low recoil is a good idea in a semi , low recoil= less powder
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Old 12-10-2012, 18:04   #16
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i dont think low recoil is a good idea in a semi , low recoil= less powder
Understood. I'm not sure about blanket statements like that. I want to try it in my recently acquired A5 and see if it works. Looking at the fps, it's not that much lower so I suspect it will work fine. I guess my point is, try it in your own gun and see where it's limits are.
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Old 12-10-2012, 18:30   #17
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I like Federal TACTICAL® TRUBALL® RIFLED SLUG 12 GAUGE in my Mossy pump gun.
At 1600 fps I'm pretty sure it will drive your slide if that ammo will work in your gun.
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I like Federal TACTICAL® TRUBALL® RIFLED SLUG 12 GAUGE in my Mossy pump gun.
At 1600 fps I'm pretty sure it will drive your slide if that ammo will work in your gun.
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