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Old 12-06-2012, 16:48   #41
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[QUOTE=English;19707118]I have no interest in learning more about the Bible, or about the religion of the Etruscans, the Aztecs or any other. Lazy is as lazy does.

I was simply pointing out the contracictions just in the small parts you refered to. Really? Hadn't noticed. Of no consequence.

The reference to Obama was no more than a play on the word "progressive" as in progressive taxation which just means socialist taxation. I quite accept that it has a much better older meaning which it is sad to loose, just like the word "gay"! Agreed. In this instance, progressive simply describes movement, development, etc. It is no cloak for a toxic agenda.

The fact remains that you used the term "progressive revelation" as a kind of jargon. That is, it is meaningful to you and some or all Christians but is meaningless to many other people, including me. My reference to it was no more than a minor joke. My reference to the inconsistency in what you say of the Bible was not. Your point regarding jargon is well taken. Such usage is not uncommon in many discussions. Given that this is a religious forum, it is not unreasonable to expect that such a common phrase would be broadly understood.

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Old 12-06-2012, 17:02   #42
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I find that impossible to believe.
Just like how you find it impossible to believe that someone else might actually know more than you do.

Maybe we should bow down to you, give you all of our money, and make the Church of JB? I mean, since you're all knowing and such.
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Old 12-06-2012, 17:15   #43
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Man, himself, is a slave to conscious reason. The principal determinant, the faculty to decide and choose a final solution, of the conscious mind is RATIONAL NEGATION. Without intellectual choice AND rational negation, a man is completely unable to think intelligently; he cannot make clever, reasoned choices that work, pragmatically, in order to solve physical problems inside the real material world.


let go of your stiff-necked pride’, and reach beyond the confining strictures of your (inherently sinful) conscious mind, and its self-defeating processes of rational negation in order to discover that eternal, loving, and motivational spirit which waits, beyond both conscious reason and the grave, for you to finally arrive.
I have to wonder if the opposite if rational negation is irrational acceptance.

For instance I have rationally negated the concept of hell that was taught to me from fundimentalist Christians. Are you saying that since rational negation is self-defeating that I should just accept what is irrational? Sounds like typical just take it on faith speak.
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Old 12-06-2012, 17:19   #44
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I find that impossible to believe.
But a great flood on the other hand... Perfectly reasonable?

And that ain't even the craziest thing you believe.
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Old 12-06-2012, 17:31   #45
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I find that impossible to believe.
Believe what you want, I've been challenged on this point before and provided the proof. I enrolled in a christian university as a believer and graduated as an atheist.
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Old 12-06-2012, 17:47   #46
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I enrolled in a christian university as a believer and graduated as an atheist.
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Old 12-06-2012, 18:30   #47
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I find that impossible to believe.
It's true... Dude I swear I can feel your faith folding in on itself. You are starting to question this stuff but years of brain washing have you confused. I know it's scary... it's scary as hell to let go. But I get the feeling you're close.

It's ok... there aren't any monsters on the other side of your religion.
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LOL! No, just a slow learner!
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:34   #49
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As to the flood, many here have routinely said, "Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes." Put bluntly, choices have consequences. The choices of evil people affects themselves... and others. It's the consequence of people being free to make choices. They make them. And they and others have to live with them... or die with them as the case may be.

For those who choose wisely, there is life. There are those who choose poorly. For them the only hope is mercy. Happily the witness of Scripture is that mercy triumphs over judgment.
So you think that everyone that died in the "Flood" was wicked and evil? You don't think there was an 8 year old girl somewhere playing with her dolly that was murdered by God as well?

If God knows and sees all... why did he have to start over? Seems like he would have foreseen it and made his creation to better suit his desires. The entire flood scenario makes it appear that God made a mistake and had to correct it.
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You talkin about Obama? He's no squatter. The people wanted him... not once... but twice. Partly because the Republican Candidate was a religious nut job. Religion has destroyed the republican party. I know... I left it because of it. I am a gun carrying, red meat eating, fiscal conservative American... and I voted for Obama because I am sick of the Evangelical Right. And the GOP thinks they lost because they aren't inclusive enough of other races... that's a racist statement in and of itself. People are sick of the religious crap. Until the Republican Party sheds that nonsense... they're doomed. Obama is YOUR president. If you don't support him... you're Un-American.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:07   #51
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Hum... it would appear that you are struggling with progressive revelation.

As to the flood, many here have routinely said, "Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes." Put bluntly, choices have consequences. The choices of evil people affects themselves... and others. It's the consequence of people being free to make choices. They make them. And they and others have to live with them... or die with them as the case may be.

For those who choose wisely, there is life. There are those who choose poorly. For them the only hope is mercy. Happily the witness of Scripture is that mercy triumphs over judgment.
Something triumphs over judgment but it isn't mercy.

If your imaginary genocidal maniac really existed he would be worse than Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Mengistu, Pol Pot and every other murderous POS like that put together. Of course if he exists than all of them would be acting just like their creator.

Yeah I think AG nailed it. Might is right. Pray to the Murde ..er Merciful One or he will get you.
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[QUOTE=G26S239;19709219]Something triumphs over judgment but it isn't mercy. Your ignorance is impressive.

If your imaginary genocidal maniac really existed he would be worse than Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Mengistu, Pol Pot and every other murderous POS like that put together. Of course if he exists than all of them would be acting just like their creator. You would be interesting, if you knew what you were talking about.

Yeah I think AG nailed it. Might is right. Pray to the Murde ..er Merciful One or he will get you. Haven't any idea who ag might be... could not care less. You have a nice time playing with yourself.
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Something triumphs over judgment but it isn't mercy. Your ignorance is impressive.

If your imaginary genocidal maniac really existed he would be worse than Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Mengistu, Pol Pot and every other murderous POS like that put together. Of course if he exists than all of them would be acting just like their creator. You would be interesting, if you knew what you were talking about.

Yeah I think AG nailed it. Might is right. Pray to the Murde ..er Merciful One or he will get you. Haven't any idea who ag might be... could not care less. You have a nice time playing with yourself.
That is a piss poor attempt at response. But you are handicapped by the fact that you do worship a genocidal maniac. According to your own fairy tales your supreme being murdered all but 8 people on earth. So that genocidal maniac made man in his own image. Ergo Hitler, Stalin, Mengistu, Mao and Pol Pot had god like qualities in that they too decided to commit murder on a massive scale.

AG is short for Artificial Grape. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you weren't a cryptographer in the military.
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