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Old 12-14-2012, 06:00   #61
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Under what IN, WI or federal law are they doing this? To the best of my knowledge the purchaser's place of residence is irrelevant for an ammunition or component purchase, without some specific state or federal statute to the contrary. Come to think of it I've never been asked for any ID when purchasing ammunition in Indiana.

isp, I seem to recall a discussion a few years back that ended with the State Police coming out with a statement that a CCW counted the same as an FOID for those from out of state. I believe the discussion had to do with purchasing ammo. Do you recall this or am I misremembering?
I've bought ammo several times in Wisconsin and not shown ID. I'm an Illinois resident.

Out of state CCW counting as FOID?? For what?


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Old 12-14-2012, 06:44   #62
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Under what IN, WI or federal law are they doing this? To the best of my knowledge the purchaser's place of residence is irrelevant for an ammunition or component purchase, without some specific state or federal statute to the contrary. Come to think of it I've never been asked for any ID when purchasing ammunition in Indiana.
IL law says if a business outside of IL sells an IL resident ammo then the business is suppose to check your FOID. It's one of those do-gooder laws that is pretty much unenforceable. IL cannot force a business not in IL to abide by IL law. The only way it can be enforced is if a company ships ammo to IL. If they weren't checking for FOID then IL could stop ammo shipments from that business into IL. It's pretty tough to enforce either way. IL can't get out of state companies to collect IL sales tax even tho there's an IL law on the books saying they will collect and send the tax collected to IL.


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isp, I seem to recall a discussion a few years back that ended with the State Police coming out with a statement that a CCW counted the same as an FOID for those from out of state. I believe the discussion had to do with purchasing ammo. Do you recall this or am I misremembering?
Not CCW actually. All IL law says if you can legally own a firearm in your resident state then you can transport in IL. You'd have to be jammed up on something illegal here before anyone would even think or try to determine if you're legal in your home state. It would be an element to a charge that you couldnt legally possess here because you couldn't legally possess there. All your CCW would do is show you can legally possess in your home state therefore it is akin to a FOID in this state to show you can legally possess. But not having a CCW doesn't mean you can't legally possess in your state. For example, all the guys who shoot trap and come to IL fo the national matches at the World Shooting complex in Sparta IL. None of those guys would have a CCW to carry their trap guns concealed.


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Under what IN, WI or federal law are they doing this? To the best of my knowledge the purchaser's place of residence is irrelevant for an ammunition or component purchase, without some specific state or federal statute to the contrary. Come to think of it I've never been asked for any ID when purchasing ammunition in Indiana.

isp, I seem to recall a discussion a few years back that ended with the State Police coming out with a statement that a CCW counted the same as an FOID for those from out of state. I believe the discussion had to do with purchasing ammo. Do you recall this or am I misremembering?
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:23   #64
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Not so coincidentally, I was talking with a couple of illinois judges today about the ruling. They seemed clear about the 180 day thing in that "if it's unconstitutional in six months then it's unconstitutional TODAY."

One added that he would likely grant a motion to quash arrest and dismiss a complaint on someone caught otherwise lawfully concealing.....not that I'd encourage anyone to test the waters.

Interesting. The Chicago machine has a hornet's nest to deal with. I don't think the attorney general has even offered a response to this yet.

There are going to be a fair amount of police officers in Illinois who might be perplexed by this issue.


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Though my reading of the opinion, they are right....it is unconstitutional TODAY, however, provided the state legislators 180 to construct a CCW bill.

I would agree just about any judge, outside of Chicago, would probably quash such a charge in lieu of this decision.

If I were the downstate reps, I'd push to abolish that FOID card too! JMHO



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Old 12-14-2012, 09:33   #65
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Under what IN, WI or federal law are they doing this? To the best of my knowledge the purchaser's place of residence is irrelevant for an ammunition or component purchase, without some specific state or federal statute to the contrary. Come to think of it I've never been asked for any ID when purchasing ammunition in Indiana.

isp, I seem to recall a discussion a few years back that ended with the State Police coming out with a statement that a CCW counted the same as an FOID for those from out of state. I believe the discussion had to do with purchasing ammo. Do you recall this or am I misremembering?
What federal law? I have no idea. What I know is that if I'm in Indiana or Wisconsin, purchasing ammo or power, and if the seller asked my state if residence, I am asked to show my Illinois FOID card. There have been times where my residence has not come up. On those occasions, the purchase was made without the need to show my Illinois FOID.

Regarding your question about a CCW card serving as a FOID, I am not aware of this. I've only had my Utah CCW for a few months.
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I've bought ammo several times in Wisconsin and not shown ID. I'm an Illinois resident.

Out of state CCW counting as FOID?? For what?


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Yes, I have found this to be an off and on proposition. Sometimes I need it, and other times, I don't. However, when I bought hand guns online (Guns America), I had to provide a copy of my FOID to the online seller. And of course, I had to provide the FOID to the FFL transfer agent here in Illinois.

So, I always count on having to show the FOID. If I don't have to show it, I am happy.
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I've never been asked to show ID to buy ammo, but I imagine if you looked under the age requirements, they might ask. Now I have been asked that stupid "Is this ammo for a handgun" question at Wal Mart (it was 40 ammo if I recall)... this piqued my interest and I said, "Why does it matter".. the poor guy had clearly gotten beat up on this question a lot and said "Sir, it's just a question I have to ask".. so I said "No, it's for a sniper rifle"
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Yes, I have found this to be an off and on proposition. Sometimes I need it, and other times, I don't. However, when I bought hand guns online (Guns America), I had to provide a copy of my FOID to the online seller. And of course, I had to provide the FOID to the FFL transfer agent here in Illinois.

So, I always count on having to show the FOID. If I don't have to show it, I am happy.
Interesting , I bought guns from gunbroker, cz custom , and a couple of mil surp dealers and never had to show FOID until I filled out the FFL paperwork
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Though my reading of the opinion, they are right....it is unconstitutional TODAY, however, provided the state legislators 180 to construct a CCW bill.

I would agree just about any judge, outside of Chicago, would probably quash such a charge in lieu of this decision.

If I were the downstate reps, I'd push to abolish that FOID card too! JMHO



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I wouldn't have a problem with the FOID law if it worked. But it doesn't. They'll likely keep FOID and you'd have three classes of gun owners -

Those permitted to carry,
Those permitted only to purchase and own,
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Old 12-14-2012, 14:41   #70
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I wouldn't have a problem with the FOID law if it worked. But it doesn't. They'll likely keep FOID and you'd have three classes of gun owners -

Those permitted to carry,
Those permitted only to purchase and own,
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