This Just In: Christians are NOT the enemy - Page 2

JMag · 12-07-2012, 16:18

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Originally Posted by NMG26

Well then you are saying that Christians are the enemy of certain ways of thinking.

The sad part is that Christians don't realize the effect this has on world. I was taught to separate myself from the world, as a fundamentalist Christian. The effects of separation still are with me. It took a long time to really get over that self-defeating philosophy.

Certain "ways of thinking" are the antithesis to Christianity; secular humanism being but one.

NMG26 · 12-07-2012, 16:25

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Originally Posted by JMag

Certain "ways of thinking" are the antithesis to Christianity; secular humanism being but one.

Christian fundamentalists teach that the world is evil.

This way of thinking is damaging to the psyche of people. I grew up thinking the world was evil and Jesus was going to take us out of this evil world. It is in no way a healthy way to think.

muscogee · 12-07-2012, 16:40

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Originally Posted by JMag

No, just enemies of indoctrination in secular humanism and progressIVE drivel.

Thanks for playing!

How do you square critical thinking with beliefs that can't possible be true? Doublethink?

token5gtd · 12-07-2012, 16:43

Not just christians, religion as a whole is the enemy here.

wingryder · 12-16-2012, 17:54

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Originally Posted by token5gtd

Not just christians, religion as a whole is the enemy here.

Gods don't kill people. People with gods kill people.

dave27 · 12-19-2012, 06:06

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Originally Posted by wingryder

Gods don't kill people. People with gods kill people.

That's fantastic! It would be much funnier though if it weren't absolutely true.

scccdoc · 12-19-2012, 07:54

How are Christians the enemy?

NMG26 · 12-19-2012, 09:13

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Originally Posted by scccdoc

How are Christians the enemy?

The enemey of what might be a better question.

Christians are taught that they are in a constant spiritual battle with a diligent enemy.

On many levels the Christian is taught that the rest of the world (non-christian world) is the enemy.

scccdoc · 12-19-2012, 10:22

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Originally Posted by NMG26

The enemey of what might be a better question.

Christians are taught that they are in a constant spiritual battle with a diligent enemy.

On many levels the Christian is taught that the rest of the world (non-christian world) is the enemy.

Not entirely correct in my opinion. Who taught you this?This is what the Bible says.............

Ephesians 6 :11, 12. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. ¹²For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Again, how am I an enemy?

***Geko45*** · 12-19-2012, 10:31

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Originally Posted by NMG26

Christian fundamentalists teach that the world is evil.

This way of thinking is damaging to the psyche of people. I grew up thinking the world was evil and Jesus was going to take us out of this evil world. It is in no way a healthy way to think.

Exactly right. I've encountered to many theistic people where their christian worldview has become a source of enablement for their dysfunction. Why focus on getting your "worldly" life in order when you believe it to be only a transient stage. Instead of taking responsibility for their situation now, they daydream about some future life where their mythical deity will take care of everything for them.

scccdoc · 12-19-2012, 10:50

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Originally Posted by Geko45

Exactly right. I've encountered to many theistic people where their christian worldview has become a source of enablement for their dysfunction.

And this doesn't occur in the atheist worldview? No dysfunctional atheists?

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Instead of taking responsibility for their situation now

So you're saying "no Christians" take responsibility for their situation now? C'mon Geko, you know better than to make a statement like that.

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they daydream

I understand your disbelief, but is it necessary for you to demean my beliefs as "daydream". Certainly you are more articulate than resorting to childish banter. But then again it seems to be the norm for this forum..............too bad.

Blast · 12-19-2012, 11:52

Don't bother wasting your time, scccdoc. The resident atheists here are delusional. They have a chronic obsession with slinging crap at religion, especially Christians.
They ignore the fact that far more atrocities throughtout history have been due to secular reasons. Human nature is the cause. Human nature has corrupted religion just as it has corrupted science. Science has achieved many great things, but it also has a dark side. How many ways to destroy life is rooted in science? Nuclear/bio/chemical weapons is a good start. But noooo... you can't tell that to an emotionally disturbed atheist. They will try to find a way to blame Christians. Twist, distort, misrepresent, lie, whatever it takes to give them some sort of satisfaction. False as it is.
They think they're accomplishing something, but they can delude themselves all they want, they continue to fail.
I could go on for hours on secular humanism about wars, murders, mass shootings, and a long list of corrupt and criminal activities none of which are connected to Christians, Jews, and even Muslims.

This pretty much illustrates the attitude some here

Rosie O'Donnel spoof mocumentary "Radical Christianity" featuring Allen Haff on Bill O'Reilly - YouTube

***Geko45*** · 12-19-2012, 11:54

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Originally Posted by scccdoc

And this doesn't occur in the atheist worldview? No dysfunctional atheists?

Never said that, of course there are dysfunctional atheists. They are just less likely to use their worldview as a crutch for their dysfunction.

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So you're saying "no Christians" take responsibility for their situation now? C'mon Geko, you know better than to make a statement like that.

I do know better than that, which is why I didn't say it. I said that I've known to many that don't take responsibility. That's very different than saying none do.

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I understand your disbelief, but is it necessary for you to demean my beliefs as "daydream". Certainly you are more articulate than resorting to childish banter. But then again it seems to be the norm for this forum..............too bad.

I'm sorry that you take offense, but the word is used in the correct context. It's all just an elaborate fairytale, myth, daydream, self-delusion, whatever you want to call it. It describes events and occurances that are known to not be possible in this world. It is no different than any other myth system of present or past history. Believing in it strongly does not change that.

9jeeps · 12-19-2012, 12:25

So why do so many unbelievers call out to our God when there is a big tragedy in theirs and others lives? Or fear reigns in their minds?

EXAMPLES:
Oh my God!!,
Jesus Christ!
God Almighty!
God damn you!
Send me some prayers I, my family, my friend, Buddy, our country, my dog; cat; kid, loved one, adnauseum, need prayers so badly!

Sorry people, you betray yourselves. When you are in your weakness everyone of you call on the most powerful name you can speak to relieve you of your drama.

I see it here all the time and have even called a few on thier abusive language a time or two.

Some of you use Angels, some, with dropped wings. Aren't these a Christian symbol? How many of you wear Crosses and know not what that even means?

C'mon now boys and girls lets play fair.

NMG26 · 12-19-2012, 14:05

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Originally Posted by scccdoc

Not entirely correct in my opinion. Who taught you this?This is what the Bible says.............

Ephesians 6 :11, 12. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. ¹²For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Again, how am I an enemy?

I was raised in an independent fundamentalist Baptist Church. I remember in grade school being taught about Noah and the ark, and that God would soon do the same thing to the world of the unsaved when Jesus returned, and then singing "I wish we'd all been ready".

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

If you are taught what the Bible teaches, then you separate yourself from the world.

Religion separates. Always has, and always will.

The chosen people are not going to burn with the rest of world at God's vengeance. Save yourself. That is how it reads and that is how it is taught.

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scccdoc · 12-19-2012, 14:25

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Originally Posted by Geko45

Never said that, of course there are dysfunctional atheists. They are just less likely to use their worldview as a crutch for their dysfunction.

Have any documentation on "less likely"? Even though your inference was that Christians "in general" were dysfunctional. Am I wrong? Are we?

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I said that I've known to many that don't take responsibility.

Have you not known any atheists who did not take responsibility? Not one? Again, your inference is that only Christians (or the majority) do not take responsibility. I'm a Christian, do you think I'm irresponsible or lack responsibility?

I think the previous statements by you are generalizations based on biased opinion, that is not logical, it is guessing.

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Originally Posted by Geko45

I'm sorry that you take offense, but the word is used in the correct context. It's all just an elaborate fairytale, myth, daydream, self-delusion, whatever you want to call it.

"Sorry", yet still demeaning. Your opinion is simply an opinion. You cannot prove there is no God.

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Originally Posted by Geko45

It describes events and occurances that are known to not be possible in this world. It is no different than any other myth system of present or past history. Believing in it strongly does not change that.

Sooooooooooooooo.......... you believe we have discovered everything there is to discover in this area? Do you often limit possibilities to what is known? BTW, the earth is not flat.............get my drift?

muscogee · 12-19-2012, 14:34

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Originally Posted by scccdoc

Your opinion is simply an opinion. You cannot prove there is no God.

So what? How is that relevant to anything? You can't prove I'm not God. does that mean I am?

scccdoc · 12-19-2012, 14:37

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Originally Posted by NMG26

I was raised in an independent fundamentalist Baptist Church. I remember in grade school being taught about Noah and the ark, and that God would soon do the same thing to the world of the unsaved when Jesus returned, and then singing "I wish we'd all been ready".

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

If you are taught what the Bible teaches, then you separate yourself from the world.

Religion separates. Always has, and always will.

The chosen people are not going to burn with the rest of world at God's vengeance. Save yourself. That is how it reads and that is how it is taught.

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You need to go back to what Ephesians said. Reject the "principalities" and evil ways of those who follow the world and you are given eternal hope. I hope you will encounter someone who can explain it better than me so that you will be ready. This is what the Bible says.

scccdoc · 12-19-2012, 14:39

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Originally Posted by muscogee

So what? How is that relevant to anything? You can't prove I'm not God. does that mean I am?

That's the point, neither can prove, therefore his opinion is no more valid than mine.So why be offensive about it?

scccdoc · 12-19-2012, 14:42

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Originally Posted by NMG26

I was raised in an independent fundamentalist Baptist Church. I remember in grade school being taught about Noah and the ark, and that God would soon do the same thing to the world of the unsaved when Jesus returned, and then singing "I wish we'd all been ready".

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

If you are taught what the Bible teaches, then you separate yourself from the world.

Religion separates. Always has, and always will.

The chosen people are not going to burn with the rest of world at God's vengeance. Save yourself. That is how it reads and that is how it is taught.

.

So dude, once again, how am I your enemy? I'm commanded to love you as I love myself. I'm not the judge................

***Geko45*** · 12-19-2012, 15:07

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Originally Posted by scccdoc

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You keep twisting my qualified statements into absolutes so you can tear down the strawman easier. Only theists deal in absolutes.

As for proof that there is no god, we've been over this before. The burden of proof lies with the person making the extraordinary (in this case supernatural) claim. I don't have to support the statement that there is no Santa Clause with proof in order for it to be valid and I don't have to support the statement there is no god for the same reason (even though I have here multiple times). The existence of supernatural deities runs contrary to everything that has ever been observed in this universe. The inductive case against god is overwhelming. I don't have to treat an infinitesimally small chance as a real and viable possibility.

muscogee · 12-19-2012, 15:36

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Originally Posted by scccdoc

That's the point, neither can prove, therefore his opinion is no more valid than mine.So why be offensive about it?

You miss the point. That which cannot be proven false is not necessarily true. Am I God simply because you cannot prove I'm not? Is there life on Mars because I can't prove there isn't? Was God an ancient alien from outer space because no one can prove he wasn't? This type of argument is illogical.

Until I can prove my point, my point is as false as yours, not as true. Neither point is true until one of us can show a probability that it is more likely to be true than false. Until such time, both points are equally false.

I'm not being offensive. We've been over this in this forum more times than I can remember. I'm just tired of seeing the same logically flawed argument ad infinitum as though it has some merit.

NMG26 · 12-19-2012, 18:12

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Originally Posted by scccdoc

So dude, once again, how am I your enemy? I'm commanded to love you as I love myself. I'm not the judge................

I don't believe the Christian is the enemy any more then I believe the Muslim is the enemy.

The enemy is doctrine that causes harm. There is doctrine in Christainity that is harmful to the psyche of the believer.

***ArtificialGrape*** · 12-19-2012, 19:27

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Originally Posted by 9jeeps

So why do so many unbelievers call out to our God when there is a big tragedy in theirs and others lives? Or fear reigns in their minds?

EXAMPLES:
Oh my God!!,
Jesus Christ!
God Almighty!
God damn you!
Send me some prayers I, my family, my friend, Buddy, our country, my dog; cat; kid, loved one, adnauseum, need prayers so badly!

Jeez, why so hostile?

Can't say that I've ever seen a self-identified atheist asking for prayers.

-ArtificialGrape

***Woofie*** · 12-19-2012, 20:56

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Originally Posted by 9jeeps

So why do so many unbelievers call out to our God when there is a big tragedy in theirs and others lives? Or fear reigns in their minds?

EXAMPLES:
Oh my God!!,
Jesus Christ!
God Almighty!
God damn you!
Send me some prayers I, my family, my friend, Buddy, our country, my dog; cat; kid, loved one, adnauseum, need prayers so badly!

Sorry people, you betray yourselves. When you are in your weakness everyone of you call on the most powerful name you can speak to relieve you of your drama.

I see it here all the time and have even called a few on thier abusive language a time or two.

Some of you use Angels, some, with dropped wings. Aren't these a Christian symbol? How many of you wear Crosses and know not what that even means?

C'mon now boys and girls lets play fair.

Could be that those are common exclamations of various emotions in our culture. But don't let me get in the way of a good delusion.