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Old 12-23-2012, 16:25   #26
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Every new gun I ever bought at the gun shop had a flyer of the 4 rules of gun safety.
If I worked in a gun shop, I would just as a matter of good practice make sure all my customers knew how to handle a gun safely. I just think it's the right thing to do.
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Old 12-23-2012, 16:26   #27
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If it wasn't a constitutional right, I'd say we should, just like a driver's license. However it is, so we should not.
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Old 12-23-2012, 16:34   #28
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To own a firearm and keep it at your home, perhaps not. But I'd be fine with training or testing as a requirement for concealed carry. I believe some states have this in place.
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Old 12-23-2012, 16:45   #29
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Well, how many regulations and contingencies does it take to alter the definition of your freedom and liberty?
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Old 12-23-2012, 16:54   #30
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It wouldn't have any effect on the crimes that catch attention and as a safety issue I don't see a major problem mandatory training would fix. My LGS doe as excellent job on that without being regulated and, again, I can't find the problem this would solve.
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Old 12-23-2012, 17:18   #31
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I took a basic and advance concealed carry course. Not only does it help with weapon proficiency, they keep me updated on local and state carry laws. I also shoot uspsa and train at a local outdoor range 3 times a month. I have seen some people handling firearms at ranges that have no business in doing so. Not everyone is cut out to handle the responsibility to conceal carry a deadly weapon.
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Old 12-23-2012, 17:20   #32
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Take a test or a government approved class in order to access and practice my constitutional rights?

No, absolutely not.
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Old 12-23-2012, 17:28   #33
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Im sure ill get some negitive responses, but due to the fact that most people are just plain stupid without an ounce of common sense, should we require some form of real traing/testing to own firearms?? Mabye even just a simple iq test. Sorry but ive seen a lifetimes worth of stupid in the past week at the range and lgs.
We haven't needed any since they were invented and the objections the liberals have to them are based on criminals and crazies, so I don't really see the point in a self-imposed and unnecessary regulation of our own.

As you said, people are stupid - a class isn't going to help.
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Old 12-23-2012, 17:37   #34
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"Mandatory training.."
Do you mean that if I don't receive the training I cannot own a gun?


What part do you not understand of:

"it's my fundamental right to own a firearm, a right enumerated in and protected by the Constitution of the United States" ?














....... where the hell do these people come from, anyway???
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Old 12-23-2012, 17:45   #35
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Old 12-23-2012, 17:45   #36
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I'm just gonna ask one question, and not post any replies. I've already been involved in another scrum over basically this same topic, so I really am not interested in arguing anymore.

If anti-gun legislation is on the horizon, and it's something we absolutely can't avoid, is there any compromises we should consider, rather than getting absolutely crushed?

My thought is that our elected officials are getting pounded with phone calls, e-mails and letters demanding anti-gun legislation, from folks that normally don't care one way or another about gun-control, but are very upset by what happened in CT.

It's possible that if we could find a compromise that settles-down all those people that are upset over the Sandy Hook shooting, the anti-gun legislators would lose their political momentum, and therefore their ability to pass really restrictive anti-gun legislation.

Any ideas on possible compromises that would calm down all those folks that are raising cane with their elected representatives? Just to avoid any truly damaging anti-gun legislation?

A lesser of two evils so to speak?

I have this mental image of gun-control debates on the House and Senate floors, and the anti-gunners bringing in Mothers and Fathers of the children that were killed at Sandy Hook to support their anti-gun legislation.

That would be really bad.

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Old 12-23-2012, 17:51   #37
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If anti-gun legislation is on the horizon, and it's something we absolutely can't avoid, is there any compromises we should consider, rather than getting absolutely crushed?
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ANY taxation or permit requirement serves legally to re-define your 2a-protected RIGHT to keep and bear arms as a privilege.

Do you understand what that means?
A privilege is the legal opposite of a right.

An activity, such as owning firearms, cannot be both a fundamental individual right and be a privilege.
It's one or it's the other.

If the state can impose control over an activity, any control such as imposing a tax, or requiring a license or permit, then that activity is, at law, a privilege.


I have a RIGHT to own firearms.
I will not compromise that right.
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I'm just gonna ask one question, and not post any replies. I've already been involved in another scrum over basically this same topic, so I really am not interested in arguing anymore.

If anti-gun legislation is on the horizon, and it's something we absolutely can't avoid, is there any compromises we should consider, rather than getting absolutely crushed?

My thought is that our elected officials are getting pounded with phone calls, e-mails and letters demanding anti-gun legislation, from folks that normally don't care one way or another about gun-control, but are very upset by what happened in CT.

It's possible that if we could find a compromise that settles-down all those people that are freaking out over the Sandy Hook shooting, the anti-gun legislators would lose their political momentum, and therefore their ability to pass really restrictive anti-gun legislation.

Any ideas on how we could slow-down looming anti-gun legislation? Any ideas on possible compromises that would calm down all those folks that are raising cane with their elected representatives? Just to avoid any truly damaging anti-gun legislation?

A lesser of two evils so to speak?
M&P15T, that is way off the topic of this thread.

Let's confine that discussion to its original thread
Gun show loop hole?? also here in GNG.

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Old 12-23-2012, 18:01   #39
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May I offer this idea. You go through a reasonable national training course. At the end you get a "purchasing card" that allows you to make a purchase without a NICS check and it serves as a national carry permit that ALL states and CITIES must honor.
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May I offer this idea. You go through a reasonable national training course. At the end you get a "purchasing card" that allows you to make a purchase without a NICS check and it serves as a national carry permit that ALL states and CITIES must honor.
Sure, as long as completion of that training course is not a legal requirement to my purchasing or owning a firearm.
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Old 12-23-2012, 18:06   #41
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I took a basic and advance concealed carry course. Not only does it help with weapon proficiency, they keep me updated on local and state carry laws. I also shoot uspsa and train at a local outdoor range 3 times a month. I have seen some people handling firearms at ranges that have no business in doing so. Not everyone is cut out to handle the responsibility to conceal carry a deadly weapon.
And Wayne LaPierre isn't qualified to speak on behalf of the NRA, what's your point?

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Old 12-23-2012, 18:29   #42
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I took a basic and advance concealed carry course. Not only does it help with weapon proficiency, they keep me updated on local and state carry laws.
I did the same exact thing voluntarily, as it should be. HH
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Old 12-23-2012, 18:32   #43
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M&P15T, that is way off the topic of this thread.

Let's confine that discussion to its original thread
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Old 12-23-2012, 18:39   #44
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New rule.

To own a firearm, you must be able to hit a shiny new penny at 100 yards with this snub nose .22 revolver.

Some people may laugh at that, I say try getting a marijuana tax stamp.

ETA: That's not something I wish to see. Just saying that's the can of worms that would be opened if you had to get some kind of government mandated training. Felt the need to clarify, lest I be labeled anti gun.

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Old 12-23-2012, 18:41   #45
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The objection is simple...

"We just passed a bill mandating this great new training program. It's cheap, only $100 and 8 hours of time, and will make us all safer!"

Some time later...

"We've found that the costs of the class are higher than expected, so we need to up the price to $500."

Some time later...

"We've consolidated training sites and lowered the number of trained instructors in order to better standardize the regimen. Also, considering the the amount of gun deaths we still have in this country we will be upping the training time to 40 hours. Classes will now only be available in the capitol of your state and training fees have necessarily been raised to $1000."

Now, who gets to exercise their constitutional rights?
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New rule.

To own a firearm, you must be able to hit a shiny new penny at 100 yards with this snub nose .22 revolver.

Some people may laugh at that, I say try getting a marijuana tax stamp.
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The objection is simple...

"We just passed a bill mandating this great new training program. It's cheap, only $100 and 8 hours of time, and will make us all safer!"

Some time later...

"We've found that the costs of the class are higher than expected, so we need to up the price to $500."

Some time later...

"We've consolidated training sites and lowered the number of trained instructors in order to better standardize the regimen. Also, considering the the amount of gun deaths we still have in this country we will be upping the training time to 40 hours. Classes will now only be available in the capitol of your state and training fees have necessarily been raised to $1000."

Now, who gets to exercise their constitutional rights?
Exactly.
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The objection is simple...

"We just passed a bill mandating this great new training program. It's cheap, only $100 and 8 hours of time, and will make us all safer!"

Some time later...

"We've found that the costs of the class are higher than expected, so we need to up the price to $500."

Some time later...

"We've consolidated training sites and lowered the number of trained instructors in order to better standardize the regimen. Also, considering the the amount of gun deaths we still have in this country we will be upping the training time to 40 hours. Classes will now only be available in the capitol of your state and training fees have necessarily been raised to $1000."

Now, who gets to exercise their constitutional rights?
That sounds about right...
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Old 12-23-2012, 19:02   #48
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That really isn't going to be help to the school shootings as most of these people don't buy the guns used, they steal them. These people that steal them have absolutely no formal training on their use, but they sure know how to handle them anyway, don't they?
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Old 12-23-2012, 19:23   #49
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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I think we've allowed enough infringement on our rights.
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Sure, as long as completion of that training course is not a legal requirement to my purchasing or owning a firearm.
Not a problem for me.

I am 62 years old. I have been through the '68 GCA forward. Every time the Feds tighten the screws just a bit more. The big court said we could have them. So why do not they STFU and stay in DC if they feel safe there.
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