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Old 12-27-2012, 23:59   #821
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I'll bet that my .357sig on my hip will do just fine with the job of protecting my life, i'll also bet that my .45 has done so in the past, and that people will still continue to argue pointlessly with a whole lot of theory, and i'll continue to be amused by it.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:58   #822
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English that is a very interesting post and you put it very well regarding BPW. I am not a BPW supporter, nor am I a detractor. I am still undecided on that subject.

I think you confused my post to be related to external ballistics which it was not. I was reffering to pressure in the internal ballistics sense. Smaller diameter bullets require a higher internal pressure to have the same force applied vs. a larger bullet. The confusion is understandable since the subject was BPW prior to my post.
You are indeed right an I was wrong in what I understood from your post. Sorry about that!

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Old 12-28-2012, 07:39   #823
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I'll bet that my .357sig on my hip will do just fine with the job of protecting my life, i'll also bet that my .45 has done so in the past, and that people will still continue to argue pointlessly with a whole lot of theory, and i'll continue to be amused by it.
Good Luck, the last few bad guys I recall had full body armor and ARs. Are you guys watching the same news I am?

I think the bad guys have been doing their research and they are coming up with better ideas then the BWP theory.

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Old 12-28-2012, 08:11   #824
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uz2, hmmm I have not found that 357 sig round yet or the loaded factory round. my 357 sig is 4" barrel.

I will certainly concede that ME is not the whole story. Bullet construction has to transfer that energy. I am saying that the energy contained in the bullet just prior to entry is all the energy there to use.

hunting with FNAR I have certainlly seem evidence of the hydrostatic shock, etc......but not from 600ft/lb. It is my opinion we are talking about rather modest amounts of energy at best.

at 600ft/lb both deer and pigs will make it 75 yds hit thru both lungs. I had a 234# boar shot thru both lungs and bottom of heart with 10mm make it 80 yds.

I am skeptical of any magic at 600 ft/lbs

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Not magic, Underwoods New 125gr tested.

On a Chrono, average 5 shots 1568 fps, 682 ft lbs ME

4" barrel Glock. Underwood rates it at 1450/604

Go to 8:45 on the video, or you can watch it all.
The guy tests around 10 different rounds


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Old 12-28-2012, 09:12   #825
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Good Luck, the last few bad guys I recall had full body armor and ARs. Are you guys watching the same news I am?

I think the bad guys have been doing their research and they are coming up with better ideas then the BWP theory.

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Does anybody know if a 30-30 works against body armor? ( I'm an old guy who still gets spastic at the thought of owning or using an M-16 or variant.)
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Old 12-28-2012, 16:13   #826
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Good Luck, the last few bad guys I recall had full body armor and ARs. Are you guys watching the same news I am?

I think the bad guys have been doing their research and they are coming up with better ideas then the BWP theory.

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In that case i'm going for shot placement, because it wont much matter which pistol cartridge you've got, and crossbreed doesnt seem to have a supertuck to fit my AR
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Old 12-28-2012, 19:54   #827
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Good Luck, the last few bad guys I recall had full body armor and ARs. Are you guys watching the same news I am?

I think the bad guys have been doing their research and they are coming up with better ideas then the BWP theory.

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Body armor does not make them invinsible even if they think they are. Unless they can rap their arms, hands, legs and face with kevlar thay can still be stopped.
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Old 12-28-2012, 19:58   #828
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Does anybody know if a 30-30 works against body armor? ( I'm an old guy who still gets spastic at the thought of owning or using an M-16 or variant.)
Yes, unless the vest is rated for rifle (plate inserts).
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Old 12-28-2012, 20:50   #829
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Uz2, in the playlike world of combat against paper and steel you soon figure out the guys beating you, are out thinking you. They are 5 or 6 moves ahead of you

You might do well at the games.
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Old 12-28-2012, 21:06   #830
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Uz2, in the playlike world of combat against paper and steel you soon figure out the guys beating you, are out thinking you. They are 5 or 6 moves ahead of you

You might do well at the games.
Rusty, I would respond to this but I'm not sure I even know what it means. Sorry, not being rude, just don't know how I should takes this.
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Old 12-28-2012, 23:02   #831
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I'll do a full write up one of these days about this video but I figured I'd share now since the 357 SIG seems to be a hot topic...



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Old 12-28-2012, 23:51   #832
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:42   #833
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The Gold Dot's expansion in this video isn't what it normally produces but who can quibble with the penetration and energy? This, for example.I'm still on the fence with the new clear gel but all-in-all it seems to be the equivalent of accepted test media.
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Old 12-29-2012, 15:34   #834
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I'd bet that ammo is hard to find for the .357SIG.
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Old 12-29-2012, 21:50   #835
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I'd bet that ammo is hard to find for the .357SIG.
Underwood has it by the case!

The 357 Sig ROCKS! Just like the 357 Magnum but more better...... There is NO way the 9mm +++PPP+++ can compete....


Great read but there is some HUGE ego investment here (mostly by the Facklerites).

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Old 12-30-2012, 10:46   #836
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That would mean that some of us favor the 147s or larger over the faster loads.

I really like the 147s in .357 SIG, esp. in the Glock 33.

This new Double Tap offering seemed plenty powerful out of the Glock 32 a week or so ago.
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Old 12-30-2012, 15:04   #837
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But really, a Corvette is simply a fast Chevett, right?
Being a former very disappointed owner of a Chevett, the Chevett was never fast. Now the family has which includes two grown kid, has 2 toyotas, 2 hondas, 1 Infinity, and 1 Accura. The Chevett was the best thing to happen for Japanese car sales.
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Old 12-30-2012, 18:51   #838
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1971 Chevelle SS was pretty much the Wilson Hunter 10mm. If you wanted to go in a striaght line.

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I got my Underwood. 357 Sig ammo. I'll give you a review in Feb. going to border to hunt pigs.

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I got my Underwood. 357 Sig ammo. I'll give you a review in Feb. going to border to hunt pigs.

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Looking forward to it, Rusty.
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