[WilliamDahl]

Originally Posted by bdc

Promo is the same burn rate as Red Dot, but a little denser. Less charge weight is required.

From what I've read on Alliant's site, Promo is the same by weight, but not by volume to Red Dot, thus the charge weight remains the same, but the volume is different. So, you need to reset the volume on whatever type of adjustable volume based powder measure that you might be using. If you are one of those folks who actually measures the weight for each and every charge, you can continue to use the same method that you have been using, but you might notice a difference in the level of the power in the brass afterward.

[RDub01]

Hello
I might pick up some Pro Reach if I can find any in town.. Give it a try with 180gr bullets and Starline brass, again with what I can find..
I wonder where a good place to start is..?
I see Alliants shotshell data Pro Reach is about 10grs behind Blue Dot, with equal loads, for more velocity than BD loads.. Haven't seen PR on any powder burn charts yet..
But this powder looks like a high energy powder and sure sounds like interesting candidate for research with 10mm..

[dm1906]

Originally Posted by RDub01

Hello
I might pick up some Pro Reach if I can find any in town.. Give it a try with 180gr bullets and Starline brass, again with what I can find..
I wonder where a good place to start is..?
I see Alliants shotshell data Pro Reach is about 10grs behind Blue Dot, with equal loads, for more velocity than BD loads.. Haven't seen PR on any powder burn charts yet..
But this powder looks like a high energy powder and sure sounds like interesting candidate for research with 10mm..

The Pro Reach burn rate (ONLY) falls between Blue Dot and Longshot. Powder densities though, are very different, requiring varying case volume capacities. You can't get enough Pro Reach into a 10mm case to be practical with any bullet weight. It's a (high energy/magnum/long distant) shotgun powder, and should be limited to that. Some shotgun powders work well in some handgun and rifle loads, but NOT all. For example, Blue Dot is a "Magnum Shotshell" powder, as it was originally formulated and intended, and was labeled as such. Now, it's labeled "Magnum Shotshell & Handgun Powder". Other modern powders are labeled similarly, and some that were labeled like this aren't now.

[RDub01]

Originally Posted by dm1906

The Pro Reach burn rate (ONLY) falls between Blue Dot and Longshot. Powder densities though, are very different, requiring varying case volume capacities. You can't get enough Pro Reach into a 10mm case to be practical with any bullet weight. It's a (high energy/magnum/long distant) shotgun powder, and should be limited to that. Some shotgun powders work well in some handgun and rifle loads, but NOT all. For example, Blue Dot is a "Magnum Shotshell" powder, as it was originally formulated and intended, and was labeled as such. Now, it's labeled "Magnum Shotshell & Handgun Powder". Other modern powders are labeled similarly, and some that were labeled like this aren't now.

Well there ya have it.. Thanks

[chuck11976]

I've been reloading with AA#9 for my Hornady XTP 180 grain bullets using new Starline brass and CCI300 primers. What I would like is to get some suggestions for using the same components but with Power Pistol. I don't need nuclear loads, I just want to develop a nice, powerful self defense load for my stock G20. Any help would be appreciated.

[_The_Shadow]

Alliant shows the following with 180 grain JHP bullets from 5.5" barrel COAL 1.250"

Power Pistol 8.7 grains @ 1,240 fps 34,900 psi


You could start lower than this 8.0 grains will probably be about 1180 fps for your setup.

[chuck11976]

Where did you find that Alliant info? I can't find it anywhere, not even on their website.

[_The_Shadow]

Chuck11976, I collect the data over many years of handloading (33+), if you wish I'll email you a PDF from the data I posted. But that is all they show for the 10mm using a 180 grain JHP bullet. I have tested this data from my guns, Power Pistol is a little faster than Blue Dot and using a little less makes it more ecconomical.

You can't collect enough data resourse materials to make decisions.

[RDub01]

Originally Posted by chuck11976

I've been reloading with AA#9 for my Hornady XTP 180 grain bullets using new Starline brass and CCI300 primers. What I would like is to get some suggestions for using the same components but with Power Pistol. I don't need nuclear loads, I just want to develop a nice, powerful self defense load for my stock G20. Any help would be appreciated.

Hello
There is a group shot with Power Pistol here at the end;

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1441315


9.0grs behind an XTP was one the most accurate loads shot through this factory G20-SF.
But.. I only found this load after carefully working up from 8.4grs in 0.2grn increments, and paying close attention to case head measurements.

[Jay/g20]

12/23/2012 11:30 cloudy 27 degrees light n.w @ 1-3 mph 726 feet above sea level

Equipment:

Alpha Master Chrony {I have to check batteries to see if they are at least 7.5 volt}
10ft. from Chrony shooting distance
Glock G20 / KKM Precision 6" drop-in / 17 bs. tungsten guide rod /spring

Load test:

PowerPistol 8.7 grain
WLP Primer
Starline Nickel plated *new* .960 case length /fresh out of the box
1.260 C.O.A.L
crimp .422
Hornady XTP 180 grain
6 shot average 1348 fps.

I question the accuracy of the Chrony due to cold and possible low 9 volt battery. The cases landed 4 o'clock 12 ft away. Controllable recoil and seemed accurate. Shot 60 yrds. @ 16" round gong target 5 out of six hit, my bad on 1st shot looked away for ejected case.

[nickE10mm]

Originally Posted by Jay/g20

12/23/2012 11:30 cloudy 27 degrees light n.w @ 1-3 mph 726 feet above sea level

Equipment:

Alpha Master Chrony {I have to check batteries to see if they are at least 7.5 volt}
10ft. from Chrony shooting distance
Glock G20 / KKM Precision 6" drop-in / 17 bs. tungsten guide rod /spring

Load test:

PowerPistol 8.7 grain
WLP Primer
Starline Nickel plated *new* .960 case length /fresh out of the box
1.260 C.O.A.L
crimp .422
Hornady XTP 180 grain
6 shot average 1348 fps.

I question the accuracy of the Chrony due to cold and possible low 9 volt battery. The cases landed 4 o'clock 12 ft away. Controllable recoil and seemed accurate. Shot 60 yrds. @ 16" round gong target 5 out of six hit, my bad on 1st shot looked away for ejected case.

The velocities seem close, but you may have just been standing a couple feet too close to your chrony and the blast beat the bullet to the chrony.

[hubcap500]

Originally Posted by _The_Shadow

Chuck11976, I collect the data over many years of handloading (33+), if you wish I'll email you a PDF from the data I posted. But that is all they show for the 10mm using a 180 grain JHP bullet. I have tested this data from my guns, Power Pistol is a little faster than Blue Dot and using a little less makes it more ecconomical.

You can't collect enough data resourse materials to make decisions.

I'd like the info too if you don't mind.

[_The_Shadow]

Alliant data PDF from 2006, Sent to Hubcap500!

[g29guy]

I finally purchased a chrono to help with numbers.

220 grain hard cast from s&s casting
1.26 oal med crimp
assorted brass
300 cci primer
70 degrees
40 % humidity
920' asl
blue dot powder 8.8 grains
shot from Kimber eclipse custom II

1095 fps Low
1190 fps
1101 fps
1119 fps
1130 fps High

ave 1111 fps
dev 35

brass/primers were in perfect shape

[Taterhead]

That sounds like a very nice load there g29guy. Thanks for posting that. I imagine that the powder burn was pretty clean?

[g29guy]

Originally Posted by Taterhead

That sounds like a very nice load there g29guy. Thanks for posting that. I imagine that the powder burn was pretty clean?

Definitely a clean burn for Blue Dot, Ill try to do a work up with my Glock 29 and KKM barrel and get some faster results. I know this can be worked much faster but my Kimber is new and im trying to get the spring combo and fps matched up. Dont want to push it yet.

[g29guy]

10 mm
TCFP 180 grain lead Mid Atlantic
1.26 oal med crimp
assorted brass
300 cci primer
70 degrees
40 % humidity
920' asl
Power Pistol powder 7.9-8.7 grains
shot from Kimber eclipse custom II

7.9 g P.P. ave 1182fps
8.1 g P.P. ave 1213fps
8.3 g P.P. ave 1226fps
8.5 g P.P. ave 1240fps
8.7 g P.P. ave 1257fps

All could be house loads. noticed recoil jump at 8.7 grains

[nickE10mm]

Originally Posted by g29guy

10 mm
TCFP 180 grain lead Mid Atlantic
1.26 oal med crimp
assorted brass
300 cci primer
70 degrees
40 % humidity
920' asl
Power Pistol powder 7.9-8.7 grains
shot from Kimber eclipse custom II

7.9 g P.P. ave 1182fps
8.1 g P.P. ave 1213fps
8.3 g P.P. ave 1226fps
8.5 g P.P. ave 1240fps
8.7 g P.P. ave 1257fps

All could be house loads. noticed recoil jump at 8.7 grains

8.6gr PP under a 180gr XTP is a favorite load of mine.... 1250fps RELIABLY.... good stuff!

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by Jay/g20

12/23/2012 11:30 cloudy 27 degrees light n.w @ 1-3 mph 726 feet above sea level

Equipment:

Alpha Master Chrony {I have to check batteries to see if they are at least 7.5 volt}
10ft. from Chrony shooting distance
Glock G20 / KKM Precision 6" drop-in / 17 bs. tungsten guide rod /spring

Load test:

PowerPistol 8.7 grain
WLP Primer
Starline Nickel plated *new* .960 case length /fresh out of the box
1.260 C.O.A.L
crimp .422
Hornady XTP 180 grain
6 shot average 1348 fps.

I question the accuracy of the Chrony due to cold and possible low 9 volt battery. The cases landed 4 o'clock 12 ft away. Controllable recoil and seemed accurate. Shot 60 yrds. @ 16" round gong target 5 out of six hit, my bad on 1st shot looked away for ejected case.

I chrono'd these:

PowerPistol 8.6 grain
WLP Primer
Starline Nickel (not virgin)
1.250 C.O.A.L
Precision Delta180 grain FMJ
Average 1196 fps.
EAA Witness Limited

Big difference!

[harley45]

I bought a mold that was part of a group buy over on cast boolits a while ago that casts a WFN and has pins for a HP and a cup point and finally got a chance to chrono it last night. With the cup point pins installed the boolit weighs 195 GR. load was 9.0 Blue Dot with CCI Large Pistol Primers.
AVG: 1192
ES: 69
SD: 19.2
Chrono was a CED
It's an accurate load but did leave a slight amount of leading in the last inch or so of my 5 inch 1911. I may lower it to 8.5 as I was kinda looking for closer to 1100FPS

[tilefish]

I am trying to find a starting point for Power Pistol or HS-6 under a Speer 155 grn TMJ. Can anyone point me at one?

This is the closest I can find but its for lead...

LFP 9.5 gr Power Pistol 1,320 fps 1.25" Fed 150 Alliant
Suggested starting load: 8.6 gr
Pressure: 33,000

[_The_Shadow]

Alliant 2006 shows a 10mm with 150 gr JHP with 9.7gr @ 1,415 fps 35,600 psi

I just did a Pull Down of Buffalo Bore 180 and that data is shown here: http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10m...jhp-pull-down/
They are using 10.0 grains of PP in that load.

[tilefish]

Originally Posted by _The_Shadow

Alliant 2006 shows a 10mm with 150 gr JHP with 9.7gr @ 1,415 fps 35,600 psi

I just did a Pull Down of Buffalo Bore 180 and that data is shown here: http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10m...jhp-pull-down/
They are using 10.0 grains of PP in that load.

Thanks Shadow, I can work with that. I figure I can start around 9 gr Power Pistol and see how that goes.

I also had some HS-6 sitting around and I just finished a batch of 50, using a recipe very similar to recipe in Bongo Boy's thread. I will break out the Power Pistol in the morning and load up another 50.

I am really looking forward to testing some loads tomorrow! All I have put through the G20 thus far was a box of American Eagle junk.