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Old 01-03-2013, 08:43   #76
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well, people .. if you think government will stop at gun confiscation you are pretty naive.. this present administration wants EVERYTHING YOU OWN... and will stop at nothing to get it..

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I believe the next thing the admin will want is your 401k/IRA.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:06   #77
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Wow! Just wow! Your thinking on the issue is beyond Unbelievable. The children died because Koresh disobeyed the law? Do you actually believe that justifies what was done? If someone kidnaps a child itís OK if the LEOís kill the child just as long as they get the kidnapper? And donít you dare try to tell me itís not the same. What we had was a government agency out of control. There is NO JUSTIFICATION for the burning death of those children.

If the powers to be were to order the confiscation of civilian arms the JBT would go to it with the same VIGOR as the ones that murdered the children.




Thank you for making my point. ďThey were just following ordersĒ. (Burning children to death). Iím sorry if the truth offends you. The truth has a way of doing that when someone is dead wrong.




Is that supposed to be a put down? Exactly who would I really be? A man that doesnít believe in burning children to death to SAVE them and stop an alleged criminal. I would think that was a decent person. Obviously you donít agree.



Do you know what year that happened? Do you know what I was doing? No! You do know the road was barricaded and no one could get in or out? Exactly how much don't you know? I can tell you what I know....

The one that has been outed here is you. Burning children is OK as long as you get the bad guy.
I was skeptical that someone would accuse someone else of liking to burn children. Wow, just wow.

You may have taken a wrong turn in your conclusion.

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According to the government, a series of remarks like "I want a fire", "keep that fire going" and "do you think I could light this soon?" indicate the Davidians have started setting fire to the complex around 11:30. Surviving Davidians testified that Coleman fuel had been poured, and fire experts in Danfort's report agree "without question" that people inside the complex had started multiple accelerated fires.

The initial arrest attempt, siege, and assault were all failures, there were much better ways to handle that. Koresh liked to hang out at a local club, on a regular basis.

Hard to believe that his followers bought the story he was Jesus incarnated?

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You think at least one of those people would have asked: "If you are the messiah, the son of god, a perfect being, why are you wearing glasses??????

The branch davidians set themselves and their children on fire. I know, that sounds crazy. It's not the first time, nor the last time that mass suicide of a cult has happened.

In my root cause analysis, I see a lot of screw ups on the law enforcement side of the house, but the kids would be alive but for the actions of the branch dividians, enough of them decided that all of them would die that day to cause a tragedy.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:14   #78
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I was skeptical that someone would accuse someone else of liking to burn children. Wow, just wow.

You may have taken a wrong turn in your conclusion.



The branch davidians set themselves and their children on fire. I know, that sounds crazy. It's not the first time, nor the last time that mass suicide of a cult has happened.

In my root cause analysis, I see a lot of screw ups on the law enforcement side of the house, but the kids would be alive but for the actions of the branch dividians, enough of them decided that all of them would die that day to cause a tragedy.
I will agree with you as long as you mean they were not able to keep the cs form burning.
The FBI did the same thing to another house down the road from mine shortly after that. It may have been a happy accident for the FBI the first time it happened but the FBI quickly learned how to recreate the event. Weather you want to admit it or not for a while the FBI was running things fast and lose. Just because they are not acting that way now doesn't mean they weren't then.
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I will agree with you as long as you mean they were not able to keep the cs form burning.
The FBI did the same thing to another house down the road from mine shortly after that. It may have been a happy accident for the FBI the first time it happened but the FBI quickly learned how to recreate the event. Weather you want to admit it or not for a while the FBI was running things fast and lose. Just because they are not acting that way now doesn't mean they weren't then.
Please explain your remark about the CS burning.
I have been in the gas chamber several times where the CS was activated over an open flame and the fumes were in full effect. I never saw the CS catch fire or its fumes ignite in any way.


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I will agree with you as long as you mean they were not able to keep the cs form burning.
CS burns within the canister, but it does get real hot. If you've poured a bunch of Coleman lantern fuel all over the place just before an assault..... I'd to have to say that is your own fault. There is no reason to pour accelerators around the compound if you did not want to make it burn.
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The FBI did the same thing to another house down the road from mine shortly after that. It may have been a happy accident for the FBI the first time it happened but the FBI quickly learned how to recreate the event. Weather [sic] you want to admit it or not for a while the FBI was running things fast and lose. Just because they are not acting that way now doesn't mean they weren't then.
I never just trust a person just because of a badge they are wearing.

But many of the survivors of the Branch Davidian tragedy witnessed other members of the cult pouring coleman fuel throughout the building. It was rigged to burn by those inside.

You cannot negotiate with crazy. It's crazy, but it happens.

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You may have taken a wrong turn in your conclusion.


The branch davidians set themselves and their children on fire. I know, that sounds crazy. It's not the first time, nor the last time that mass suicide of a cult has happened.

In my root cause analysis, I see a lot of screw ups on the law enforcement side of the house, but the kids would be alive but for the actions of the branch devidians, enough of them decided that all of them would die that day to cause a tragedy.
I've deleted a large chunk of your post in what is quoted above (not your original post) because I completely agree with that portion of it. I believe there will be less confusion, in my reply, with it out of the way.

I have not take a wrong turn in my conclusion. The "government", BATF&E and FBI continues to "falsely" accuse the " Branch Devidians of starting the fire. Those that escaped "SWEAR", and remember these are bible thumping, God FEARING people, that the FBI started the fires. So we have the Branch Dividiens word v those that lied before Congress in the Ruby Ridge case and the case of the Branch Deviants. Please forgive me if I go with the survivors word on this one.

BATF and FBI should never have been there in the first place. THEY ARE TO BLAME!!!!!!

Any idea what's going on with Fast and Furious? In a few years people will be here defending the BATF&E on that one too. It was the people in Mexico and the border agents fault for getting in the way of the bullets.

The BATF&E and the FBI does this crap every few years yet prole will keep defending their actions.
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I've deleted a large chunk of your post in what is quoted above (not your original post) because I completely agree with that portion of it. I believe there will be less confusion, in my reply, with it out of the way.

I have not take a wrong turn in my conclusion. The "government", BATF&E and FBI continues to "falsely" accuse the " Branch Devidians of starting the fire. Those that escaped "SWEAR", and remember these are bible thumping, God FEARING people, that the FBI started the fires. So we have the Branch Dividiens word v those that lied before Congress in the Ruby Ridge case and the case of the Branch Deviants. Please forgive me if I go with the survivors word on this one.

BATF and FBI should never have been there in the first place. THEY ARE TO BLAME!!!!!!

Any idea what's going on with Fast and Furious? In a few years people will be here defending the BATF&E on that one too. It was the people in Mexico and the border agents fault for getting in the way of the bullets.

The BATF&E and the FBI does this crap every few years yet prole will keep defending their actions.
Maybe we are getting some conflicting information. I won't reveal any names, but a friend of a friend got out when she saw the branch davidian's pouring coleman lantern fuel throughout the building.

It's not too far from where I live.

Is that true? My friend believed her friend. I can only say that. It does match up with official reports that say there were a lot of accelerants involved in the fire, and reports stating eye witnesses, inside the building saw davidians pouring large quantities of accelerants.

I wasn't physically there. I'd say there were some very stupid moves on all sides.
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