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Old 01-14-2013, 20:52   #51
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I got tired of simplistic people perseverating on the avatar rather then the content of my posts. It's a Firesign Theater album cover with pictures of Marx and Lennon. Groucho Marx and John Lennon.
I grew up on the Firesign Theater. "Porgy, Tirebitter. He's a spy and a girl delighter..."
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Old 01-14-2013, 21:08   #53
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See my sig line. I was amongst the last SAC trained killers.
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Old 01-14-2013, 21:31   #54
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Old 01-14-2013, 21:33   #55
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No S#!t Sherlock, where exactly have you been for the last 7 years??

Wake up and take a look at a profile or two. Look at the insignia on the hat in the avatar, learn a little bit of jargon, but don't blame me for your negligent or willful ignorance.

All with military experience here, will tell you that the highest ranking military medical person within shouting distance is known as "Doc". Not doctor, that's different. The highest assigned medical officer within a maneuver element was referred to as the "surgeon", even if he was not a surgeon, but a PA, ER Doctor, GMO Doctor or whatever. It's the way people refer to each other in places you have never been.


Last deployment, I was the Brigade Surgeon of an Engineer Brigade in Baghdad. I wasn't a Doctor, or a Surgeon. But I practiced medicine and trauma stabilization surgery very well. I had unfortunately had a lot of experience in that & was very good at it, or fortunately, depending on your perspective.

A lot of younger guys went outside the wire to get to the wounded faster at my urging. That's a good thing, well, if you are on our side.
So you aren't a real Doctor. That's all I wanted to know. Didn't need your excuses.
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Old 01-14-2013, 21:34   #56
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No S#!t Sherlock, where exactly have you been for the last 7 years??

Wake up and take a look at a profile or two. Look at the insignia on the hat in the avatar, learn a little bit of jargon, but don't blame me for your negligent or willful ignorance.

All with military experience here, will tell you that the highest ranking military medical person within shouting distance is known as "Doc". Not doctor, that's different. The highest assigned medical officer within a maneuver element was referred to as the "surgeon", even if he was not a surgeon, but a PA, ER Doctor, GMO Doctor or whatever. It's the way people refer to each other in places you have never been.


Last deployment, I was the Brigade Surgeon of an Engineer Brigade in Baghdad. I wasn't a Doctor, or a Surgeon. But I practiced medicine and trauma stabilization surgery very well. I had unfortunately had a lot of experience in that & was very good at it, or fortunately, depending on your perspective.

A lot of younger guys went outside the wire to get to the wounded faster at my urging. That's a good thing, well, if you are on our side.
I'm a very firm believer that a doctor is often the least qualified of the medical professionals to practice medicine. I try to go with an NP when I need to go to the "doctor."

I've had some great doctors with my varied health problems, but I've had far more grossly incompetent doctors. Thankfully the PA, NP, or RN was able to inform me what was up to make decisions.

If the medical profession holds up through Obamacare I'm thinking about making Medical Physics my grad program.

Got a way off topic question for you. A couple local hospitals offer associates degrees as a PA. I've never heard of a bachelor's program around here. Obviously there is one, but what are the differences between a PA with an associates degree and one with a master's?
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I find myself in the unusual position of siding with CavDoc on something. I clearly remember him freely offering that he was a PA and not an MD on several occasions. I have known some very competent PAs over the years and believe that the whole Physician Assistant / Nurse Practitioner career field is an important part to solving our current healthcare crisis. I can also confirm that even combat medics and corpsman in the military are addressed with the honorary title "doc".
Yep, I love to hate Doc but he's never claimed to be a doctor. He's explained when asked about it several times.

And I have no past experience with PAs except for a chick I met online who didn't tell me she had herpes until her hand was in my pants but I understand that one data point is fairly useless.
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:01   #58
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None of the above. He is an ex-medic.
No, he said he was physician assistant, its a doctors aid, they do most of the duties a doctor would do. If you go to a urgent care or ER chances are you see a PA and not a doctor, even though you ate billed for a doctor.

Maybe you got him confused with me, I stated I was a retired Medic.

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I'm a very firm believer that a doctor is often the least qualified of the medical professionals to practice medicine. I try to go with an NP when I need to go to the "doctor."

I've had some great doctors with my varied health problems, but I've had far more grossly incompetent doctors. Thankfully the PA, NP, or RN was able to inform me what was up to make decisions.

If the medical profession holds up through Obamacare I'm thinking about making Medical Physics my grad program.

Got a way off topic question for you. A couple local hospitals offer associates degrees as a PA. I've never heard of a bachelor's program around here. Obviously there is one, but what are the differences between a PA with an associates degree and one with a master's?
I wasn't aware that there were any associates programs left. It actually used to be a "certificate" program when the profession started with Viet Nam era former SF medics being trained as PA's. For about the last 30 years most were BS, then the last 15 years or so most seemed to convert to Masters Programs. There are a few talking about PhD programs. Degree creep happens. There are a lot getting into the field, so colleges can ask for just about any prerequisite and have enough candidates to still turn several qualified ones away.

http://money.cnn.com/pf/best-jobs/20...pshots/16.html

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So you aren't a real Doctor. That's all I wanted to know. Didn't need your excuses.
We all know where you were going with that.
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No, he said he was physician assistant, its a doctors aid, they do most of the duties a doctor would do. If you go to a urgent care or ER chances are you see a PA and not a doctor, even though you ate billed for a doctor.

Maybe you got him confused with me, I stated I was a retired Medic.
Doc is also an ex-medic. Many PAs are ex-medics.
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[QUOTE=Cavalry Doc;19865912]I wasn't aware that there were any associates programs left. It actually used to be a "certificate" program when the profession started with Viet Nam era former SF medics being trained as PA's. For about the last 30 years most were BS, then the last 15 years or so most seemed to convert to Masters Programs. There are a few talking about PhD programs. Degree creep happens. There are a lot getting into the field, so colleges can ask for just about any prerequisite and have enough candidates to still turn several qualified ones away.

So the job responsibilities are the same?
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WHICH ONE?! I am a huge fan. I just took my chick to see them in VA on Dec 9th. Been a fan since the early 90's.

You are now officially the coolest person on this forum LOL. Was it Disarm or Tonight Tonight or something?
Tonight Tonight. What I remember is that it was a pretty uncomplicated chart. Afterwards, as requested by my daughter, I got the head pumpkin guy, I don't know his name, to sign the sheet music. Daughter loved it. She was only 15.


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I wasn't aware that there were any associates programs left. It actually used to be a "certificate" program when the profession started with Viet Nam era former SF medics being trained as PA's. For about the last 30 years most were BS, then the last 15 years or so most seemed to convert to Masters Programs. There are a few talking about PhD programs. Degree creep happens. There are a lot getting into the field, so colleges can ask for just about any prerequisite and have enough candidates to still turn several qualified ones away.

http://money.cnn.com/pf/best-jobs/20...pshots/16.html
That is interesting. I did not know that the PA program came out of the SF medic program. When I was a kid, I knew a SF reserve medic who was a PA in civilian life. His wife went to nursing school with my mom. He used to bring us cool Airborne and SF T-shirts from Ft. Bragg.

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Yeah when Mellon Collie came out I was 19. Probably 18 when you were playing your part in the studio. That's cool. Those songs are a part of my youth. Your part is missed by the way... when they play it live they use a string effect on one of the guitars. Not the same at all.
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Doc is also an ex-medic. Many PAs are ex-medics.
Nope. I was a pharmacy technician prior to going to PA school. I was never a medic. I've worked with a lot of medics though, and as a group, hold them in very high esteem. Know which Military occupation has the most posthumous awards of the Congressional Medal of Honor? It's not hard to guess that one.
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I wasn't aware that there were any associates programs left. It actually used to be a "certificate" program when the profession started with Viet Nam era former SF medics being trained as PA's. For about the last 30 years most were BS, then the last 15 years or so most seemed to convert to Masters Programs. There are a few talking about PhD programs. Degree creep happens. There are a lot getting into the field, so colleges can ask for just about any prerequisite and have enough candidates to still turn several qualified ones away.
So the job responsibilities are the same?
If they are a nationally certified PA. NCCPA is the certifying association. Generally speaking, if you can pass that, you are a fully adequate PA. PA's and NP's cover a lot of the same ground professionally. You will usually see one job posted for either profession to fill. There are some slight differences in pay depending on where you are, sometime one or the other will make a little more than the other. Private sector around here, PA's make more, federal sector here (yes it varies by location) NP's make a little more.
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Im a career firefighter/paramedic. I really only am friends with LEO's and other firemen outside of my church. I love the adrenaline factor of being a fireman, but the medic portion has opened my eyes to putting myself in other people's shoes. I have a desire to continue learning more and research current meds/treatments, striving to attain my goal of "no one dies on my watch bc I made a mistake" call it perfectionism, maybe even corny, but I do not like to lose people ever.

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I agree. I do the technical design/sales at Dell for the data center equipment. I have worked with lots of the fortune 500 companies in every sector and the government, over various time periods. It does help with being well rounded and seeing how the different groups handle things...what is important to them(solution vs price), how they do purchasing, politics involved in the purchase, etc....

While this job has not influenced my religious views at all, it was during this time that I went from being a Christian to realizing I was really an Atheist. Once I figured that out, it did finally hit me on why I enjoy this job. From a technical standpoint I deal with a lot of "this is the solution that is right for you", or "No, this will not work at all, don't try it". Then on solutions that we haven't run across before we can (like a scientist) say, "I am not sure, lets test that out in our lab and see if it works." I enjoy working with with evidence. I like being able to say Yes or No, and then throw out numbers or papers to show evidence of why it is Yes or No. I don't like guesses. No company buying millions of dollars in servers is going to accept "Have faith that this solution will work". They want evidence/proof. It wasn't until I realized that I was an Atheist, that I realized the proof thing was one of the big reasons I enjoyed this work.
Hey, I work for Dell, too! Well, as of Sept of last year, at least. I was/am a senior consultant for Quest, now Dell.

In the same boat as you - I need critical thinking and problem solving every day to do my job. I need answers and need to be able to prove those answers with a repeatable process.

I think I've always been predisposed to critical thinking and this led to my atheism.

I'm also a bit of a stickler for precise language, this is definitely a product of my job, and that drives some folks on internet forums a bit batty.
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Hey, I work for Dell, too! Well, as of Sept of last year, at least. I was/am a senior consultant for Quest, now Dell.
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Nice! One of my accounts just did a really big order for you guys the Friday before Christmas
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So you aren't a real Doctor. That's all I wanted to know. Didn't need your excuses.
CavDoc has never stated that he is a doctor that I am aware of and I've lurked/posted on GT for a while.

He has explained this a couple times IIRC why he uses CavDoc.



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CavDoc has never stated that he is a doctor that I am aware of and I've lurked/posted on GT for a while.

He has explained this a couple times IIRC why he uses CavDoc.



My handle is chickenwing, but I assure you I am not a chickenwing.
Thanks for the clarification, but he's not interested. He's just looking for a chink in the armor.

Funny thing is, once you realize someones mission in life is to try to get under your skin (dermatobia hominis), it no longer is effective.

But anyway, I appreciate you taking the time to try.

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CavDoc has never stated that he is a doctor that I am aware of and I've lurked/posted on GT for a while.

He has explained this a couple times IIRC why he uses CavDoc.



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CavDoc has never stated that he is a doctor that I am aware of and I've lurked/posted on GT for a while.

He has explained this a couple times IIRC why he uses CavDoc.



My handle is chickenwing, but I assure you I am not a chickenwing.
I'm relatively new here. But my father was an actual doctor so I refuse to give him the honor of calling him Doc any longer.
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