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Old 01-18-2013, 16:33   #1
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Should The Bible Be Banned From Obama's Inauguration?

Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC thinks Obama should NOT swear on the Bible during his upcoming inauguration, but instead he should swear on one of his daughters.

The farther we kick God down the stairs, the deeper this country sinks into a sinful, hedonistic and pagan society.

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Old 01-18-2013, 16:55   #2
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You have to love how people today play so fast and loose with the constitution. It's called separation of church and state.
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Old 01-18-2013, 17:04   #3
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He can swear in on a Dr. Seuss book for all I care. Its all for show and doesn't mean a damn thing. He's gonna do what he's gonna do, regardless of where his hand is during inauguration.
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Old 01-18-2013, 17:11   #4
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The farther we kick God down the stairs, the deeper this country sinks into a sinful, hedonistic and pagan society.
The Bible is not the symbol of God.

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Old 01-18-2013, 17:11   #5
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No, it should not.

He's been using plenty verses from scripture when addressing the country lately. Why would he suddenly feel the Bible is unworthy of being included in a ceremony that christens his leadership of a country that was founded on its laws and moral codes?

ETA: And what's with the "Private Inauguration" before the live one that we see? What the heck goes on, there, that's anymore important than the ceremony/show that we get to see?
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Old 01-18-2013, 17:14   #6
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No, it should not.

He's been using plenty verses from scripture when addressing the country lately. Why would he suddenly feel the Bible is unworthy of being included in a ceremony that christens his leadership of a country that was founded on its laws and moral codes?
Christianity may share the moral codes, but it doesn't get to claim them as its own. They were around long before Christianity showed up.
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Maybe he should swear on "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky.
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Old 01-18-2013, 17:17   #8
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Nowhere does it say that the elected president needs to swear in on a bible...its just somthing they've done for years.

besides, it would look funny having him palm his daughters face while swearing in.
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The Bible is not the symbol of God..
It's the word of God and an instruction book for Man to follow.
There's NO higher authority to bear witness to the president's oath of office.
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It's the word of God and an instruction book for Man to follow.
Sacrosanct to only some......

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There's NO higher authority to bear witness to the president's oath of office.
A book is the highest authority?

An exclusive and tribal book?

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Old 01-18-2013, 17:36   #11
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Christianity may share the moral codes, but it doesn't get to claim them as its own. They were around long before Christianity showed up.
As long as you're living by the same moral codes, I doubt anyone's gonna fight with you over who/what those codes belong to. You can claim them if you like.

And claiming that they were around before Christianity is pretty hard to prove unless you were there, though I don't doubt that some basic sense of right and wrong existed before the Bible. And, even if you were there, it'd still be your word against the Bible.

I mean it's not something you can test for with carbon dating or anything.

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It's the word of God and an instruction book for Man to follow. There's NO higher authority to bear witness to the president's oath of office.
And if you don't believe in God, (meaning anybody) then what difference does it make if we stick with the same traditional ceremony that's been enacted since the founding of this nation?
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He can swear in on a Dr. Seuss book for all I care. Its all for show and doesn't mean a damn thing. He's gonna do what he's gonna do, regardless of where his hand is during inauguration.
Gotta agree with that. End thread, nuff said.

Really. The oath of office means nothing to this guy.

Hang on, we are all in for a wild ride.
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There's NO higher authority to bear witness to the president's oath of office.
God sees all, whether your hand is on a bible or picking your butt.
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Old 01-18-2013, 18:45   #14
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The guy from MSNBC had a good point. Why swear on a Bible that you do not agree with to support a Constitution you don't agree with. It really is hypocrisy.
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Old 01-18-2013, 19:27   #15
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The guy from MSNBC had a good point. Why swear on a Bible that you do not agree with to support a Constitution you don't agree with. It really is hypocrisy.
Even more to the point, why swear someone like that into office?

Rather than eliminating the Bible from the procedure because the swearee does not believe/agree with it, why not eliminate the swearee from consideration and find someone who 'does' agree with it?

I could be wrong, but I believe the point of the Bible's inclusion is kind of a prerequisite for the position of office.

Just like being a proven citizen of this country is a prereq.....oh, wait.
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Old 01-18-2013, 20:17   #16
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Should it be banned? Absolutely not.

Should it be used? It should be completely up to Obama.
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Maybe she should campaign for a change in the court systems "Swearing In" process also.

It has already been determined that the President can use whatever Bible he chooses to "swear to". I am waiting to see if it becomes the Koran.
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separation of church and state. So I think he should swear on the constitution and Bill of rights.

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Not caring a bunch. But where does that statement "Separation of Church and State" appear in the Constitution?

It's an MSM & public school system manufactured fallacy.


I like the 1st Amendment just the way it reads in plain text.
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I could be wrong, but I believe the point of the Bible's inclusion is kind of a prerequisite for the position of office.
The Bible's inclusion is a custom, not a prerequisite.
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Not caring a bunch. But where does that statement "Separation of Church and State" appear in the Constitution?

It's an MSM & public school system manufactured fallacy.


I like the 1st Amendment just the way it reads in plain text.
Personally, I'm a fan of Article VI, paragraph 3, and requiring the use of a Bible would violate it.
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I could be wrong, but I believe the point of the Bible's inclusion is kind of a prerequisite for the position of office.
That whole way of thinking kind of ruins the reason why people fled england to come to a new land in the first place...religious freedom.

the 1559 Act of Uniformity, demanded that all British citizens attend services and follow the traditions of the Church of England....so the Puritains left england so they wouldn't be persecuted.
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That whole way of thinking kind of ruins the reason why people fled england to come to a new land in the first place...religious freedom.

the 1559 Act of Uniformity, demanded that all British citizens attend services and follow the traditions of the Church of England....so the Puritains left england so they wouldn't be persecuted.
They weren't exactly tolerant of other religious beliefs either. Religious freedom wasn't really their thing. It was following their religion and not allowing any other that was really their idea of religious freedom.

I don't see why swearing on the bible means a thing anymore. Gimme one... I'll swear on it all day long. You think God is gonna come get me if I don't keep my oath. LOL... what archaic thinking.

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The Bible's inclusion is a custom, not a prerequisite.
I guess my point is that if a leader-to-be takes issue with the most foundational customs of the country they are being sworn into, does it not speak volumes about how they will conduct themselves when encountered with future issues regarding other basic, foundational criteria such as....the constitution of that country?

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That whole way of thinking kind of ruins the reason why people fled england to come to a new land in the first place...religious freedom.

the 1559 Act of Uniformity, demanded that all British citizens attend services and follow the traditions of the Church of England....so the Puritains left england so they wouldn't be persecuted.
But there are no religious mandates in America for its citizens. Nobody is forcing anyone to believe in/practice any specific religion, here.

Yet, if the position of office for this country customarily recognizes Christianity as its foundational guideline for character in our leaders, how much sense does it make to allow a would-be leader to completely dispose of that custom and all it entails for the ceremony of their commencement?

Should a large company hire someone to RUN that company if that person does not agree with or believe in that company's foundational mission statement?
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I guess my point is that if a leader-to-be takes issue with the most foundational customs of the country they are being sworn into, does it not speak volumes about how they will conduct themselves when encountered with future issues regarding other basic, foundational criteria such as....the constitution of that country?
The Bible is not the foundation of the nation, nor is using the Bible in the inauguration a "foundational custom"
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But there are no religious mandates in America for its citizens. Nobody is forcing anyone to believe in/practice any specific religion, here.

Yet, if the position of office for this country customarily recognizes Christianity as its foundational guideline for character in our leaders, how much sense does it make to allow a would-be leader to completely dispose of that custom and all it entails for the ceremony of their commencement?
The Bible is not the "foundational guideline" for character in our leaders. Something by Locke, Hobbes, or de Tocqueville would be far closer to such a thing than the Bible, which offers nothing in terms of guidance on governing a representative democracy.
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