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Old 01-20-2013, 11:21   #26
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Shotguns and ARs are completely different concepts.
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Right, because simply pointing out that shotguns and ARs use different principles for QA or operation means I must be a fan boy.

I get the feeling you're the same kind of person that runs out to buy an iPhone the day it's released, only to find out that it's riddled with bugs that won't be fixed for weeks.
You didn't mention anything about principles of QA for anything. You just spewed that rifles and shotguns are different.

My point was that quality control processes within a company will be commonplace from one product to the other. The techniques of quality control will be employed on all products, instead of just one. If Mossberg has a strong, WE Deming styled quality assurance program on it's shotguns, why wouldn't they apply it to their rifles?

If you knew anything about the actual quality control processes in manufacturing you would understand.

For instance: Torque settings are checked and charted a few times an hour. That way if something is falling out of spec., it is caught and corrected before dozens of units are made. The operator can see failing trends developing and can get freshly calibrated and accurate tools, or components, before they fall too far out of spec., causing substandard units to be made.

Fanboyism aside, it stands to reason that if Mossberg is checking and charting torques on a regular basis with their shotguns, then they will bring that same program to their rifle manufacturing. That's how companies establish a reputation.

If it was known that Mossberg is farming out manufacturing to another company, and the didn't have a similar QA process, it would be a different story. The Walther P22 is a good example. Production is farmed out, and the product isn't as high quality. The early SW99's were a disaster.

If a company has thin tolerances for it's parts from suppliers and workmanship on one product, why would they not on the other?

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Old 01-20-2013, 12:36   #27
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OP, if you don't mind and just for ****s and grins, post some pics of the gas key staking, castle nut staking, etc. And, if the bolt is MPI, feed ramps, etc.

I've never really drank that Kool Aid, but it would be interesting to know how they "stack up" to the perceived mil-spec standards.
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Old 01-20-2013, 13:12   #28
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OP, if you don't mind and just for ****s and grins, post some pics of the gas key staking, castle nut staking, etc. And, if the bolt is MPI, feed ramps, etc.

I've never really drank that Kool Aid, but it would be interesting to know how they "stack up" to the perceived mil-spec standards.
Here ya go..

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Old 01-20-2013, 15:37   #29
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Looks very nice! I am just curious, is there a small step between the receiver rail and the hand guard rail? Or is it just a optical illusion? If there is step you can align the rail better with the upper receiver rail because the hand guard rail might push down on the gas tube, this can cause premature gas tube/gas key wear because the gas tube cannot move up if the kas key/bolt carrier wants to push it up. But I am not sure how that rail is designed on the inside, there might be plenty of clearance. But it's worth checking. Aligning the rail nicely will give you probably less sight tweaking when you zero it in at the range. Enjoy your new rifle and take good care of it!

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Looks very nice! I am just curious, is there a small step between the receiver rail and the hand guard rail? Or is it just a optical illusion? If there is step you can align the rail better with the upper receiver rail because the hand guard rail might push down on the gas tube, this can cause premature gas tube/gas key wear because the gas tube cannot move up if the kas key/bolt carrier wants to push it up. But I am not sure how that rail is designed on the inside, there might be plenty of clearance. But it's worth checking. Aligning the rail nicely will give you probably less sight tweaking when you zero it in at the range. Enjoy your new rifle and take good care of it!
No, it's just because the very last rail on the receiver is slightly raised, making it look that way in the photo. It lines up fine.


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Old 01-20-2013, 16:10   #31
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Imagine what a ****fest this would be if the gas keys hadn't been well staked. The silence is deafening.


Now go put a couple thousand rounds into a stump, and let us know how reliable it is.

Looks like you have a fine rifle.
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Old 01-20-2013, 16:35   #32
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Imagine what a ****fest this would be if the gas keys hadn't been well staked. The silence is deafening.


Now go put a couple thousand rounds into a stump, and let us know how reliable it is.

Looks like you have a fine rifle.


Yeah that would have been a stew for sure.
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Imagine what a ****fest this would be if the gas keys hadn't been well staked. The silence is deafening.


Now go put a couple thousand rounds into a stump, and let us know how reliable it is.

Looks like you have a fine rifle.
Ha thanks!

Mossberg has multiple weapon systems deployed by militaries (including our own) around the world, as well as with hundreds if not thousands of police departments around the country..

Internet commandos love to stick up their noses at new products. (Especially when it comes to the AR platform)

The same thing happened when S&W came out with their AR. Now that it is used by a number of police departments you don't hear those people anymore.


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Old 01-20-2013, 16:58   #34
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Ha thanks!

Mossberg has multiple weapon systems deployed by militaries (including our own) around the world, as well as with hundreds if not thousands of police departments around the country..

Internet commandos love to stick up their noses at new products. (Especially when it comes to the AR platform)

The same thing happened when S&W came out with their AR. Now that it used used by a number of police departments you don't hear those people anymore.


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True enough. Brand names run very strong with some AR people. It's odd to see the battles that go on sometimes over brands in this sub forum when many of the same components make up the rifles in the debate.

Heck these days a guy is just lucky to find a AR near MSRP

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Heck these days a guy is just lucky to find a AR near MSRP
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Old 01-20-2013, 17:22   #36
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.22 rifles typically have issues because they aren't built with the same QA and high standards as a semi-auto combat rifle.

the majority of .22 issues stem from ammo/magazines. One type of ammo that works amazingly in a Ruger, might be god aweful in a Mossberg.

to get a .22 AR to work as well as a 5.56 AR, you'd have to spend as much as that 5.56 AR.
It should also be noted that the "Mossberg Tactical 22" isn't even remotely based on the AR-15 with the exception of cosmetics. It's based on the "Mossberg 702 Autoloader". In my experience, they both run just fine. OP, enjoy that new rifle!
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Place called Larry's Pistol and Pawn in Huntsville AL. (Same place i bought my AR) They have tons of ammo, but are sticking to a strict X number of boxes per person per day limit. Also picked up 525 rounds of .22, and 300 rounds of 9mm..

Ill be back in a day or two and buy more.

Don't know how they have it but they have the hook up. ARs, AKs, tons of every type of ammo, mags, NFA class 3 etc..

You could buy 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 for a little under 300 I saw.


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Larry is doing something right! I've been looking for an XDs and lo and behold walk in and he has multiples. In a bit concerned because the inspection and test fire date has 1/12/2012 stamped on the envelope.....maybe the inspector hasn't flipped the date on the stamp ??


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Old 01-20-2013, 19:01   #38
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One of our collaborating instructors bought his daughter a Mossberg AR when she took our NRA Rifle Instructor Course. The rifle could not be zeroed. We finally figured out that the windage adjustment on the rear sight was wandering around upon recoil, so we put a RDS on it. Although we were able to zero it somewhat with the RDS, it was one of the least accurate AR's that we have ever run across, shooting 6-8 inch groups with everything. Hopefully their QC has gotten better.
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I have seen 2 Mossberg .22lr AR type rifles. Both have had issues. Mostly magazine related. Curious to see how well they handle the .223.
Those aren't AR type... they are just a plinkster with plastic shells... NOT the same AT ALL.

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One of our collaborating instructors bought his daughter a Mossberg AR when she took our NRA Rifle Instructor Course. The rifle could not be zeroed. We finally figured out that the windage adjustment on the rear sight was wandering around upon recoil, so we put a RDS on it. Although we were able to zero it somewhat with the RDS, it was one of the least accurate AR's that we have ever run across, shooting 6-8 inch groups with everything. Hopefully their QC has gotten better.
I read several reviews before I bought it. All of them had no problem with accuracy.

Hopefully it is just an aberration.


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Those aren't AR type... they are just a plinkster with plastic shells... NOT the same AT ALL.

http://www.romeotangobravo.net/2011/...-22-first.html
Thank you for clearing that up.

That link further detracts from the Mossberg AR22 though.
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Thanks.

I've been messing around with it, disassembled it. Everything looks great inside and out...

Every review I've read for it has overwhelmingly positive things to say about it...

Some people ***** about the Stark grip, I find it to be quite comfortable. If you have smaller hands, you probably would want to change it out, but I like it.


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Hopefully it is just an aberration.
Just go into it with an open mind, with no preconceived notions. Also, consider the ammo quality.
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About to go shoot, will take photos and give a range report.


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About to go shoot, will take photos and give a range report.

Don't post pics if it's a same hole shooter. You don't want to stroke anybody out. It's okay to have a differing opinion on brands, but you don't want to kill them over your choice. Even though I doubt they would extend you the same courtesy.
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Put 60 rounds through it (not a lot but when I bought ammo that's the limit they let me buy). Functioned perfectly, no jams. Went bang every time.

Put out some cans and jugs about 75 yards out. After shooting a few rounds and adjusting the sights I was able to consistently hit a gallon sized jug while standing.

When resting the group size was under 3 inches on a large box. I expect to improve with new optics and more practice.

Ammo used was American Eagle 50 grain hollow points.

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My cousin brought out his .270 rifle too. I find it funny how the 5.56 is the current bad guy round to people who are completely ignorant to firearms..

Yea lets ban 5.56 but the most common hunting round is a ok.

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60 rounds is a start. I've never considered American Eagle ammo to be match grade.
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Ha. Defiantly not!


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