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Old 11-19-2012, 20:52   #51
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Some great info,

Thank you sir for your hard work.

Any chance of getting 135 grain Nosler, and 200 grain WFNGC data?
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Old 11-19-2012, 21:08   #52
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A user on another forum sent me some 220 gr Underwood hard cast to test but that's not going to happen until I can set up my gelatin for WAY more penetration. I'll probably use about 6"-8" pipe or concrete mold to do it but I'll need several FEET of it.

I'd like to do some 135 gr Nosler some day but I gotta say it's not going to penetrate anywhere near far enough to be suitable for defense. I'm sure it'll be an impressive bomb but #8 birdshot makes a really nasty wound too. It just doesn't go anywhere near deep enough to reliably stop threats.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:43   #53
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Andrew, your comment brings up the biggest obstacle I've run into, which is a decent form to use as a mold for the gel. I like something square (or at least with a flat bottom) so it doesn't roll off or need propped on the table. I like the plastic boxes you used. I bought a dozen when they were on sale years ago, and use them to keep reloading projects organized and separated, but they impress me as being a little too thin, top to bottom. Are they about 4-5" tall?

I'd like to find something that is square, about 10"(h) x 10"(w) x 20" (Long), preferrably plastic, and with a handle and a lid...

Any ideas?
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Andrew, your comment brings up the biggest obstacle I've run into, which is a decent form to use as a mold for the gel. I like something square (or at least with a flat bottom) so it doesn't roll off or need propped on the table. I like the plastic boxes you used. I bought a dozen when they were on sale years ago, and use them to keep reloading projects organized and separated, but they impress me as being a little too thin, top to bottom. Are they about 4-5" tall?

I'd like to find something that is square, about 10"(h) x 10"(w) x 20" (Long), preferrably plastic, and with a handle and a lid...

Any ideas?
Ziplock made some containers that were 10x10x6. They were the best thing I could find at the time. Had lids. Had sides that wasn't exactly vertical. Has a slightly concaved bottom.

I could pop them out and lay them on their sides giving me a 10x10 surface to shoot at. Then by only being 6 inches deep, I could get to the bullet without cutting up the entire block.

The I would rearrange them so I had fresh gel to shoot and if something over penetrated I had a way of catching it.
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Old 11-20-2012, 17:33   #55
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Best I can say is to go to Walmart and look at their vast array of Rubbermaid and Sterlite tubs. If I do the concrete mold route, I'll just put a couple phone books on the table to keep the "block" from rolling off. I'll tape the bottom off really well with duct tape and stick a trash bag in, then pour the gelatin into the bag. I'll probably only do this method rarely because I anticipate losing quite a bit of gelatin from the folds in the bag. I'm sure it will be messy and a PITA.
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Old 11-20-2012, 18:49   #56
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Best I can say is to go to Walmart and look at their vast array of Rubbermaid and Sterlite tubs. If I do the concrete mold route, I'll just put a couple phone books on the table to keep the "block" from rolling off. I'll tape the bottom off really well with duct tape and stick a trash bag in, then pour the gelatin into the bag. I'll probably only do this method rarely because I anticipate losing quite a bit of gelatin from the folds in the bag. I'm sure it will be messy and a PITA.
You may have an idea there. I have rubber made tubs. If I line the rub with a garbage bag.....I could seal up my gel. Heck, I could use a backpack for an interesting shape.
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Old 11-20-2012, 20:34   #57
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I use el cheapo Sterlite tubs. I actually don't need any trash bag or anything. The inside is very smooth and releases pretty easily. The big thing is to let them cool, covered, to room temperature while stirring the condensed water back into the gel once or twice an hour. Otherwise you lose a lot of water to evaporation.
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Old 11-29-2012, 20:43   #58
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Tested Hornady 165 gr Critical Defense and Precision Cartridge 180 gr Golden Saber today. I'll probably post the pics and video as well as bullet measurements tomorrow if I get a chance to melt the blocks down but here are the numbers from today's test:


BB calibration: 599.3 fps, 3.6"

10mm Hornady Critical Defense 165 gr

Velocity, penetration

1,135 fps, 12.6"
1,148 fps, 12.2"
1,148 fps, 12.8"
1,144 fps, 12.7"



BB calibration: 594.0 fps, 3.75"

Precision Cartridge 180 gr Golden Saber:

Velocity, penetration

1,161 fps, 13.8"
1,150 fps, (this one actually angled up a bit and left one block, then left a small mark where it hit the second block and I couldn't find it)
1,162 fps, 13.8"
1,139 fps, 13.7"
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Old 12-23-2012, 19:05   #61
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I also tested 200 gr HAP over 8.3 gr of 800-X at 1,153 fps but I didn't get any video of it. Here are the numbers and pics, though:

Penetration: 19.4"
Weight retention: 198.1 gr
Max expansion: 0.623"
Min expansion: 0.442"

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Old 01-22-2013, 13:38   #64
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10mm hand load fired from EAA Witness through four layers of denim. 155 gr Barnes TAC-XP over 8.0 gr of 800-X, new Starline brass, Winchester LP primer. Data is noted in the video and in video description.

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Old 02-04-2013, 09:57   #65
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10mm Underwood 135 gr Nosler JHP fired from EAA Witness 4.5" barrel through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB calibration: 591.4 fps, 3.3"

Impact velocity: 1,568 fps
Penetration: 7.9"
Retained weight: 80.4 gr
Max expansion: 0.745"
Min expansion: 0.529"
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10mm CORBON 135 gr Pow'RBall fired from 4.5" bbl EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB calibration: 600.8", 3.5"

Impact velocity: (Err), 1,425 fps
Penetration: 8.6", 8.6"
Retained weight: 129.3 gr, 122.9 gr
Max expansion: 0.848", 0.882"
Min expansion: 0.794", 0.702"

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10mm Double Tap 200 gr Nosler fired from 4.5" bbl EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB calibration: 582.9", 3.25"

Velocity: 1,076, (Err)
Penetration: 14.8", 15.5"
Retained weight: 193.8 gr, 192.7 gr
Max expansion: 0.704", 0.679"
Min expansion: 0.662", 0.572"

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10mm Atomic 180 gr Hex plated fired from 4.5" bbl EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB calibration: 585.0, 3.1"

Impact velocity: 1,251 fps
Penetration: greater than 17.7"
Retained weight: N/A
Expansion: N/A

Both shots experienced significant fragmentation and deviated, exiting the side of the block.
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10mm Buffalo Bore 180 gr Sierra Power Jacket fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 599.2 fps, 2.9"


Impact velocity: 1,311 fps
Penetration: 10.7"
Retained weight: 181.1 gr
Max expansion: 0.853"
Min expansion: 0.560"








10mm Selway 180 gr JHP fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 599.2 fps, 2.9"


Impact velocity: 1,105 fps
Penetration: 12.9"
Retained weight: 175.2 gr
Max expansion: 0.678"
Min expansion: 0.600"












10mm Winchester 180 gr generic JHP loaded over 10.0 gr of AA#7 fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 599.2 fps, 2.9"

Impact velocity: 1,106 fps
Penetration: greater than 16"
Retained weight: N/A
Max expansion: N/A
Min expansion: N/A

The bullet experienced significant fragmentation and deviated from its path, exiting the block at about the 16" mark. A second shot performed similarly.
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Old 08-27-2013, 00:01   #73
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Thanks Andrew. The BB load is interesting. I did not know that they finally put a proper bullet back into their 180 gr loading (after loading that Montana Gold target JHP for a few years). Also curious that they used R-P brass instead of Starline for that. Looks like a load worth consideration, I would think.
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Another interesting note is that they didn't remove the bell from the case after seating the bullet. That MT Gold bullet did pretty well for not being a premium bonded defense bullet, I think.
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